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B5:TLT Actual DISCUSSION Thread
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darth_librarian
Regular
Re: Actual B5:TLT News
That is such a B5 episode name!!!
That is such a B5 episode name!!!
GreenDrazi
Member
Re: Actual B5:TLT News
Great news! I can't wait. Thanks!
Great news! I can't wait. Thanks!
Joseph DeMartino
Moderator
Re: Actual B5:TLT News
Which is why JMS has made it abundantly (and repeatedly) clear that this is NOT going to happen as long as he is in charge. Ever. Period. End of story.
Regards,
Joe
Which is why JMS has made it abundantly (and repeatedly) clear that this is NOT going to happen as long as he is in charge. Ever. Period. End of story.
Regards,
Joe
Jade Jaguar
Regular
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Certainly he is not going to recast them. But, they could still have small roles... Look at all the dead people who "acted" in Forrest Gump, and that film was made 12 years ago. So, who knows what could happen, given what IS possible? It would be a good way to throw some $ to their estates, i.e. their families.
Certainly he is not going to recast them. But, they could still have small roles... Look at all the dead people who "acted" in Forrest Gump, and that film was made 12 years ago. So, who knows what could happen, given what IS possible? It would be a good way to throw some $ to their estates, i.e. their families.
Jan
Regular
Re: Actual B5:TLT News
This morning's tid-bit:
This morning's tid-bit:
Title: Re: B5:TLT update from jms
Author: jmsatb5@aol.com
Date: 3 Oct 2006 21:12:00 -0700
Message-ID: <1159935120.462173.274330@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Shabaz wrote:
>
> And thank you for answering my HD question about TLT. The AV nerd in me
> is happy.
> telecined to HD resolutions (usually to 1080p24), or shot with digital
> HD cameras (1080i60 or otherwise)? Just curious.
>
The latter. I figure if I'm gonna learn this stuff, I may as well dive
in at the deep end.
In for a penny, in for a pounding, I say....
jms
AnlaShokGrey
Regular
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Indeed. It's why I'm having trouble being more than simply...happy...about the new production. It's B5, it's JMS, and I'm sure I'll love it -- and I'm damned happy to know that there's some good sf television (even if only direct to DVD) coming our way -- but it'll be very hard to watch it knowing that G'Kar will never step through the door to Sheridan's office, that Londo and G'Kar will never spar like old marrieds again, that Andreas will never again flamboyantly enter a scene and proceed to steal it no matter how few words he has to read.
The irony seems crueller to me than in the case of Richard Biggs. Rick left us all the way back in May of 2004; Andreas died just as this deal was being finalized. I don't even know if he would have been able to do TMoS if it hadn't tanked, depending on the shooting schedule. But it's just painful, really awful, that the WB neurons only began firing (and the checkbooks opening) with regard to this property as Andreas lay dying.
That's why I haven't weighed in much on threads about the new show. I can't really work up the requisite amount of enthusiasm, nor do I want to bring people down. Some days, though, it's infinitely hard not to spread the grief around. :-(
Amy
Indeed. It's why I'm having trouble being more than simply...happy...about the new production. It's B5, it's JMS, and I'm sure I'll love it -- and I'm damned happy to know that there's some good sf television (even if only direct to DVD) coming our way -- but it'll be very hard to watch it knowing that G'Kar will never step through the door to Sheridan's office, that Londo and G'Kar will never spar like old marrieds again, that Andreas will never again flamboyantly enter a scene and proceed to steal it no matter how few words he has to read.
The irony seems crueller to me than in the case of Richard Biggs. Rick left us all the way back in May of 2004; Andreas died just as this deal was being finalized. I don't even know if he would have been able to do TMoS if it hadn't tanked, depending on the shooting schedule. But it's just painful, really awful, that the WB neurons only began firing (and the checkbooks opening) with regard to this property as Andreas lay dying.
That's why I haven't weighed in much on threads about the new show. I can't really work up the requisite amount of enthusiasm, nor do I want to bring people down. Some days, though, it's infinitely hard not to spread the grief around. :-(
Amy
Joseph DeMartino
Moderator
Re: Actual B5:TLT News
My instincitive reaction to this suggestion is - well, yuck. There is just something creepy about the whole concept. It is one thing to insert a modern actor into actual historical footage and then tweak the soundtrack a bit. It is something else to use scraps of footage to "resurrect' an actor to complete a film (as in case of Brandon Lee and The Crow) It is something yet again to use old footage to somehow create new scenes in a new project. Even the CG "return" of Livia for her final Sopranos bow struck me as ill-considered Far better to have had her death entirely off-screen. The only place I saw this work was on Highlander. An actor who played a recurring role died unexpectedly as they were about to film his next episode, which was supposed to be largely about him. They did a hasty rewrite to kill-off his character and took one scene from a previous appearance - one without dialogue where he appeared in the same location where his character was supposed to die. They added the sound of someone sneaking up on him, cut to a scene with another character, then came back to show the discovery of his body - which we only see in the form of an arm dressed in his costume. For the rest of that episode they did extensive flashbacks using footage from his earlier episodes, and he got full guest star billing in both, for purposes of residuals.
I think simply doing flashbacks would work as well, without the 'yuck" factor.
Just one man's opinion.
Regards,
Joe
My instincitive reaction to this suggestion is - well, yuck. There is just something creepy about the whole concept. It is one thing to insert a modern actor into actual historical footage and then tweak the soundtrack a bit. It is something else to use scraps of footage to "resurrect' an actor to complete a film (as in case of Brandon Lee and The Crow) It is something yet again to use old footage to somehow create new scenes in a new project. Even the CG "return" of Livia for her final Sopranos bow struck me as ill-considered Far better to have had her death entirely off-screen. The only place I saw this work was on Highlander. An actor who played a recurring role died unexpectedly as they were about to film his next episode, which was supposed to be largely about him. They did a hasty rewrite to kill-off his character and took one scene from a previous appearance - one without dialogue where he appeared in the same location where his character was supposed to die. They added the sound of someone sneaking up on him, cut to a scene with another character, then came back to show the discovery of his body - which we only see in the form of an arm dressed in his costume. For the rest of that episode they did extensive flashbacks using footage from his earlier episodes, and he got full guest star billing in both, for purposes of residuals.
I think simply doing flashbacks would work as well, without the 'yuck" factor.
Just one man's opinion.
Regards,
Joe
PillowRock
Regular
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If you had been watching the series all along, you could spot where all of her lines had been lifted from. You couldn't keep yourself from flashing on those other scenes from previous years (or doing a bit of a mental search for those for which the source scene didn't immediately leap to mind).
It tended to take me, as an audiance member, out of the current story being told .... thereby detracting from it.
Even apart from the "yuck" factor:
If you had been watching the series all along, you could spot where all of her lines had been lifted from. You couldn't keep yourself from flashing on those other scenes from previous years (or doing a bit of a mental search for those for which the source scene didn't immediately leap to mind).
It tended to take me, as an audiance member, out of the current story being told .... thereby detracting from it.
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The only way I would like to see a story about these characters is if it is about the part of you that is left behind in others when you leave a place, as G'Kar puts it in Object in Motion, IIRC. A story about how the Franklin or G'Kar characters have touched others, and the imprint they left behind on the universe they walked in. If done tastefully, perhaps with some flashbacks (though IMO not necessary), that could work for me.
It would probably be a damned hard thing to write though, and I don't know if JMS would either want do it, or be up to it, emotionally.
The only way I would like to see a story about these characters is if it is about the part of you that is left behind in others when you leave a place, as G'Kar puts it in Object in Motion, IIRC. A story about how the Franklin or G'Kar characters have touched others, and the imprint they left behind on the universe they walked in. If done tastefully, perhaps with some flashbacks (though IMO not necessary), that could work for me.
It would probably be a damned hard thing to write though, and I don't know if JMS would either want do it, or be up to it, emotionally.
AnlaShokGrey
Regular
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PillowRock, I had the exact same reaction to those lines. It felt like when a radio personality has buttons with people saying funny lines, or fart noises, or musical 'stings' that they use over and over again. I know a lot of people really liked having Livia there for those scenes, but I wished they could have done it differently.
And Joe, I agree with you that the way Highlander handled it was quite classy. If throwing a few residuals to the estates is desired, there are many less objectionable ways to do it. I think it would grate very badly to reuse footage, particularly since this is a show that encourages rabid fandom, and most people would know exactly where those lines came from.
PillowRock, I had the exact same reaction to those lines. It felt like when a radio personality has buttons with people saying funny lines, or fart noises, or musical 'stings' that they use over and over again. I know a lot of people really liked having Livia there for those scenes, but I wished they could have done it differently.
And Joe, I agree with you that the way Highlander handled it was quite classy. If throwing a few residuals to the estates is desired, there are many less objectionable ways to do it. I think it would grate very badly to reuse footage, particularly since this is a show that encourages rabid fandom, and most people would know exactly where those lines came from.
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I'm curious if there is any unseen footage of Andreas and Peter that got cut for some reason, that Peter could "remember" in a flashback. I too would love to see Andreas' family get cash and to be able to watch him "live" again. I for one would love to see the "Centari" trilogy to be filmed. We have the death of Londo and G'Kar on film already, again, I'm curious if there are any outtakes of G'Kar that "could" be used to flesh out a good story tastefully.
I'm curious if there is any unseen footage of Andreas and Peter that got cut for some reason, that Peter could "remember" in a flashback. I too would love to see Andreas' family get cash and to be able to watch him "live" again. I for one would love to see the "Centari" trilogy to be filmed. We have the death of Londo and G'Kar on film already, again, I'm curious if there are any outtakes of G'Kar that "could" be used to flesh out a good story tastefully.
Jade Jaguar
Regular
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Joe, I'm not advocating this, or saying it is likely, just that it is a possibility. The idea of doing flash backs, or using out takes for flash backs, would be better. Oh, I do think they did some digital resurection of Oliver Reed in Gladiator, if memory serves. But, even if it were technically possible, and within the budget, I highly doubt that JMS would digitally manufacture a major role for a dead actor that has meant so much to the fans.
Joe, I'm not advocating this, or saying it is likely, just that it is a possibility. The idea of doing flash backs, or using out takes for flash backs, would be better. Oh, I do think they did some digital resurection of Oliver Reed in Gladiator, if memory serves. But, even if it were technically possible, and within the budget, I highly doubt that JMS would digitally manufacture a major role for a dead actor that has meant so much to the fans.
