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Did SciFi make or loose money with Crusade?
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Okay mr "geokuutio"..
Do U know if TNT made or lost money with Crusade
Do U know if TNT made or lost money with Crusade
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With sufficiently lousy business practises,
one can lose money with everything...
one can lose money with everything...
Joseph DeMartino
Moderator
1) TNT paid the original production costs on Crusade. So Warner Bros. broke even on the deal, neither losing nor making money. I have no idea if TNT got its money back in the single run they gave the thirteen episodes. Depending on the ad rates they were able to charge in the summer of 1999, they very well may have.
2) Sci-Fi (or anyone else who re-runs an old show) still has to pay a license fee, regardless of who paid for the original production. That fee is usually expressed as "X" number of dollars per episode for either "Y" number of runs each or unlimited runs for a fixed period of time. An exclusive contract, which keeps the show out of the broadcast syndication market usually costs more.
Since Sci-Fi is pretty much the only game in town for an SF show consisting of only 13 episodes (no syndicator would touch it, you have to restart the rerun cycle every 2 1/2 weeks and the ratings would quickly go into the toilet) chances are they didn't pay very much for Crusade. Anything at all that Warner Bros. made on the show was gravy, since the TNT deal meant the show had cost the studio nothing, so they would have no reason to ask for a lot of money, even if they'd been in a better bargaining position.
Given all of the above, plus the fact that they've run the show twice already, I'd say that Sci-Fi probably made its money back with Crusade. It didn't do great ratings the first time, but it got about what the reruns it replaced did.
My question is, why does this bug you? /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif
It makes no real difference if the question is, "Will Crusade ever come back?" Losing money on the reruns would, of course, make that pretty much impossible. But turning a small profit by re-running the few surviving episodes of an old show that you picked up cheap is not the sort of thing that makes programmers think, "remake!" I'm sure they also made money on re-runs of many of the other cancelled series they picked up to fill a few hours as "Chain Reactions" without ever giving any thought to bringing those shows back.
Regards,
Joe
2) Sci-Fi (or anyone else who re-runs an old show) still has to pay a license fee, regardless of who paid for the original production. That fee is usually expressed as "X" number of dollars per episode for either "Y" number of runs each or unlimited runs for a fixed period of time. An exclusive contract, which keeps the show out of the broadcast syndication market usually costs more.
Since Sci-Fi is pretty much the only game in town for an SF show consisting of only 13 episodes (no syndicator would touch it, you have to restart the rerun cycle every 2 1/2 weeks and the ratings would quickly go into the toilet) chances are they didn't pay very much for Crusade. Anything at all that Warner Bros. made on the show was gravy, since the TNT deal meant the show had cost the studio nothing, so they would have no reason to ask for a lot of money, even if they'd been in a better bargaining position.
Given all of the above, plus the fact that they've run the show twice already, I'd say that Sci-Fi probably made its money back with Crusade. It didn't do great ratings the first time, but it got about what the reruns it replaced did.
My question is, why does this bug you? /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif
It makes no real difference if the question is, "Will Crusade ever come back?" Losing money on the reruns would, of course, make that pretty much impossible. But turning a small profit by re-running the few surviving episodes of an old show that you picked up cheap is not the sort of thing that makes programmers think, "remake!" I'm sure they also made money on re-runs of many of the other cancelled series they picked up to fill a few hours as "Chain Reactions" without ever giving any thought to bringing those shows back.
Regards,
Joe
KoshN
Super Moderator
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino:
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Given all of the above, plus the fact that they've run the show twice already, I'd say that Sci-Fi probably made its money back with Crusade. It didn't do great ratings the first time, but it got about what the reruns it replaced did.
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Sci-Fi showed Crusade in April 2001, October 2001, and January 2002.
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Given all of the above, plus the fact that they've run the show twice already, I'd say that Sci-Fi probably made its money back with Crusade. It didn't do great ratings the first time, but it got about what the reruns it replaced did.
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Sci-Fi showed Crusade in April 2001, October 2001, and January 2002.
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So WHY IS IT that we can't see new episodes of Crusade any longer?
Nukemall
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To cut a long story short, back in 1999 when the show was being produced, TNT passed down notes from their execs to JMS about what they wanted on the show. JMS disagreed but tried to work with them for a while, but eventually pulled the plug. No-one has come forward to finance the show since. Hence only thirteen episodes are no more new ones.
I'm sure KoshN or JoeDM can give you the long story with the specific details.
I'm sure KoshN or JoeDM can give you the long story with the specific details.
hypatia
Regular
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by traveller:
<font color=yellow>So WHY IS IT that we can't see new episodes of Crusade any longer?</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
My best guess would be that no one wants to buy this series because it is (at this point) old and it failed on another network.
I do know that some shows have survived by changing networks. But I think it is pretty rare. I also think it is a very recent phenomenon for the most part.
Anyway, if out of the blue some rabid JMS fan were to suddenly control a television station, they'd still have to ponder the wisdom of trying to resurrect a show if you don't even know how many of the original actors would still be available.
Not to mention the word "Crusade" might cause some new problems after 9/11/2001.
<font color=yellow>So WHY IS IT that we can't see new episodes of Crusade any longer?</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
My best guess would be that no one wants to buy this series because it is (at this point) old and it failed on another network.
I do know that some shows have survived by changing networks. But I think it is pretty rare. I also think it is a very recent phenomenon for the most part.
Anyway, if out of the blue some rabid JMS fan were to suddenly control a television station, they'd still have to ponder the wisdom of trying to resurrect a show if you don't even know how many of the original actors would still be available.
Not to mention the word "Crusade" might cause some new problems after 9/11/2001.
A_M_Swallow
Regular
I have already suggested that the second serries be called Jihad. Although that was before September.
KoshN
Super Moderator
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Nukemall:
<font color=yellow>To cut a long story short, back in 1999 when the show was being produced, TNT passed down notes from their execs to JMS about what they wanted on the show. JMS disagreed but tried to work with them for a while, but eventually pulled the plug. No-one has come forward to finance the show since. Hence only thirteen episodes are no more new ones.
I'm sure KoshN or JoeDM can give you the long story with the specific details.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
We really should have a FAQ about this. JoeD, do you have it all in one file somewhere?
<font color=yellow>To cut a long story short, back in 1999 when the show was being produced, TNT passed down notes from their execs to JMS about what they wanted on the show. JMS disagreed but tried to work with them for a while, but eventually pulled the plug. No-one has come forward to finance the show since. Hence only thirteen episodes are no more new ones.
I'm sure KoshN or JoeDM can give you the long story with the specific details.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
We really should have a FAQ about this. JoeD, do you have it all in one file somewhere?
You and JoeD need to get together and write it up for everyone, it'd be much simpler than responding to every single question that comes your way. I have taken on a role like JoeD on some other show forums (which will remain nameless) and it is tough work to recall every bit of info the people want.
Capt. Neville
Regular
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Nukemall:
Or perhaps we should start work on the virtual JoeDM...<hr></blockquote>
Bungie.net already proved it could be done with the Disembodied Soul /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
(Gee, how long has it been since I suggested that one?.... Oh well, not like anybody pays attention to my posts anyway.)
Cheers,
-mcn
Or perhaps we should start work on the virtual JoeDM...<hr></blockquote>
Bungie.net already proved it could be done with the Disembodied Soul /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif
(Gee, how long has it been since I suggested that one?.... Oh well, not like anybody pays attention to my posts anyway.)
Cheers,
-mcn
