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EpDis: Sic Transit Vir
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Joseph DeMartino
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They do?? Are you sure, Joe??
Wall, that reminds me of a joke...
But you'll have to go to the adult's only NC-17 section to read it. (The joke itself is not really NC-17, but chances are the responses it draws will be.
)Regards,
Joe
Boxie
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Wall, that reminds me of a joke...
But you'll have to go to the adult's only NC-17 section to read it. (The joke itself is not really NC-17, but chances are the responses it draws will be.
You know,
I went into the NC-17 section once a long time ago. I was on another board and heard about this one so I came over, signed up, and "lurked" around so I could report back to everyone...Boy, did I get a shock!! 
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EDIT by vacantlook: Post content removed due to being too much blatant, insulting homophobia.
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Estelyn
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We've seen gradual changes in Vir over time, and it's good to have an episode devoted primarily to his character development. A few comments:
Interesting that a Centauri tells Vir that Londo is trying to protect the government from the truth. The following joke is corny, sure - intentionally so.
A very funny moment is when sinister music and suspenseful camera angles trick the viewers into thinking something dangerous is going on - and then it's bugs! Especially funny in that context - seeing Londo swotting with his sword and shouting "Die!".
Lyndisty is a most interesting character; her pink clothing and high-pitched voice are deceptive, as is her girly conversation. What's behind it is all the more scary because it's sugar-coated. Amusing to see Vir trying to hide behind Londo when introduced to her; he's an idealist in love as well - a radical set of mind in a society of arranged marriages. I guess they don't quite see eye to eye on tokens of love - and what really happens to that Narn?
Interesting too that the motive for murder is not where it was first searched for...
Interesting that a Centauri tells Vir that Londo is trying to protect the government from the truth. The following joke is corny, sure - intentionally so.
A very funny moment is when sinister music and suspenseful camera angles trick the viewers into thinking something dangerous is going on - and then it's bugs! Especially funny in that context - seeing Londo swotting with his sword and shouting "Die!".
Lyndisty is a most interesting character; her pink clothing and high-pitched voice are deceptive, as is her girly conversation. What's behind it is all the more scary because it's sugar-coated. Amusing to see Vir trying to hide behind Londo when introduced to her; he's an idealist in love as well - a radical set of mind in a society of arranged marriages. I guess they don't quite see eye to eye on tokens of love - and what really happens to that Narn?
Interesting too that the motive for murder is not where it was first searched for...
Alioth
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One thing kind of strange, is why or how it can still be such a secret that Centauri males have six "thingees". Humans have been in contact with them for close to 100 years IIRC, so I would think such a thing would be notoriously common knowledge among humans by this point (probably with a lot of weird porn on the market involving it). I mean, all it would take is one human discovering the truth, for everyone to get wind of it, considering how sexual matters so titillate us. Also, the basic anatomy of most species would be known in the exobiology community anyway, and again, such a fact would be certain to become popular knowledge from there given the... nature of it.
So it seemed strange that this knowledge seemed such a secret from outsiders. A Minbari like Lennier maybe ("The Quality of Mercy")--and the scene where Londo tells him is hilarious--but someone like Susan, who's probably heard all sorts of salty jokes in her time (whether she wanted to or not), and at any rate hasn't been sheltered from such (other)worldly knowledge? Yet it seems she never knew this.
(Of course, this is all expositional (pun intended?) knowledge for us, so I guess it's all good (definitely some funny dialog). And it may have actually been pretty common knowledge, just that Susan didn't happen to know it for whatever reason.)
One thing I wondered is how Narns are equipped--G'Kar being the horndog he is for both Centauri and human females (and cuckolding Londo :devil.
So it seemed strange that this knowledge seemed such a secret from outsiders. A Minbari like Lennier maybe ("The Quality of Mercy")--and the scene where Londo tells him is hilarious--but someone like Susan, who's probably heard all sorts of salty jokes in her time (whether she wanted to or not), and at any rate hasn't been sheltered from such (other)worldly knowledge? Yet it seems she never knew this.
(Of course, this is all expositional (pun intended?) knowledge for us, so I guess it's all good (definitely some funny dialog). And it may have actually been pretty common knowledge, just that Susan didn't happen to know it for whatever reason.)
One thing I wondered is how Narns are equipped--G'Kar being the horndog he is for both Centauri and human females (and cuckolding Londo :devil
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vorlonlovechild
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zomg.
Jade Jaguar
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Trying to think of the Zarg now, so that it fills my consciousness... blotting out all else...
hypatia
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I could read back, to see what inspired this reply. But it's more fun to just ask:
is this some new self-torture action, meant to discipline the mind? :wtf:
Jade Jaguar
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Just scroll up a bit. It was Jan's description of Londo and G'Kar's tryst.
Alioth
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Was (future Regent) Virini's joke to Vir sort of a foreshadowing?
Q. What is more dangerous than a locked room full of angry Narns?
A. One angry Narn with a key!
(Besides the next scene showing the locked room full of Narn refugees, no doubt angered by the grievous things done to their world.)
G'Kar had noted (I believe previously) that "humans were the key" to the future of the galaxy... and just a couple episodes after this one, he is finally let into Sheridan's inner circle, and thus given this "key", in a way.... And in a way, he becomes very dangerous to Centauri designs on the Narns once he has this "key". (And "the key" might also be his own enlightenment, which allows him the patience and strength to thread the needle that he must (cooperate with Londo against Cartagia, bearing all that that entailed) to ultimately free his world.)
It seemed like a throwaway line at first, but even a little joke by a flighty court popinjay could have significance.
Q. What is more dangerous than a locked room full of angry Narns?
A. One angry Narn with a key!
(Besides the next scene showing the locked room full of Narn refugees, no doubt angered by the grievous things done to their world.)
G'Kar had noted (I believe previously) that "humans were the key" to the future of the galaxy... and just a couple episodes after this one, he is finally let into Sheridan's inner circle, and thus given this "key", in a way.... And in a way, he becomes very dangerous to Centauri designs on the Narns once he has this "key". (And "the key" might also be his own enlightenment, which allows him the patience and strength to thread the needle that he must (cooperate with Londo against Cartagia, bearing all that that entailed) to ultimately free his world.)
It seemed like a throwaway line at first, but even a little joke by a flighty court popinjay could have significance.
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Galahad
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Londo using that sword to go after the bug somehow makes me think of Vir taking (that same?) sword after the Drazi vendor that ,hey!>, bugged his bags in the Zocalo.
Lennier's Tears
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An episode all about Vir? What an excellent idea! Another really clever episode name, too!
I've always liked the bit with the bugs in Londo's quarters. It makes sense in the context of Babylon 5 breaking away from Earth, and not everything operating quite as it should. Mostly it's just funny. I still fairly regularly use the phrase "There are more of you!!"
We've seen the Vir character develop and he really gets to shine, here. The bit in the teaser is great, where we see him in a room full of Narns, just after Virini makes that joke about a room full of angry Narns. I've only recently started noticing the guilty look on Vir's face when Londo asks him if he has anything interesting to report. I guess before I was too distracted by the Lyndisty storyline, because this happens just after Londo hides her in his bedroom.
I love the whole Abrahamo Linconi thing. Vir trying his best to do something good. I feel so bad for him when he's trying to get Ivanova to stop talking about it in front of Londo, but of course that's not happening.
The awkward conversation between Vir and Ivanova is pretty funny, but I'd agree with Alioth upthread that it seems unlikely she wouldn't have known about the Centauri's six appendages. But, funny. Vir being his usual awkward bumbling self. It works.
Lyndisty is interesting. "A true Centauri" indeed. I'm kind of disappointed in Vir in that he is still sort of interested in her after he finds out that she has singlehandedly murdered something like a thousand Narns. Isn't the whole point of his character that he's not that kind of Centauri? I guess he's more conflicted when he finds them attractive?
[Off topic: Nevermind, it's been taken care of, thank you!]
Another really clever episode name, too!I've always liked the bit with the bugs in Londo's quarters. It makes sense in the context of Babylon 5 breaking away from Earth, and not everything operating quite as it should. Mostly it's just funny. I still fairly regularly use the phrase "There are more of you!!"
We've seen the Vir character develop and he really gets to shine, here. The bit in the teaser is great, where we see him in a room full of Narns, just after Virini makes that joke about a room full of angry Narns. I've only recently started noticing the guilty look on Vir's face when Londo asks him if he has anything interesting to report. I guess before I was too distracted by the Lyndisty storyline, because this happens just after Londo hides her in his bedroom.
I love the whole Abrahamo Linconi thing. Vir trying his best to do something good. I feel so bad for him when he's trying to get Ivanova to stop talking about it in front of Londo, but of course that's not happening.
The awkward conversation between Vir and Ivanova is pretty funny, but I'd agree with Alioth upthread that it seems unlikely she wouldn't have known about the Centauri's six appendages. But, funny. Vir being his usual awkward bumbling self. It works.
Lyndisty is interesting. "A true Centauri" indeed. I'm kind of disappointed in Vir in that he is still sort of interested in her after he finds out that she has singlehandedly murdered something like a thousand Narns. Isn't the whole point of his character that he's not that kind of Centauri? I guess he's more conflicted when he finds them attractive?
[Off topic: Nevermind, it's been taken care of, thank you!]
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hypatia
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Lyndisty is interesting. "A true Centauri" indeed. I'm kind of disappointed in Vir in that he is still sort of interested in her after he finds out that she has singlehandedly murdered something like a thousand Narns. Isn't the whole point of his character that he's not that kind of Centauri? I guess he's more conflicted when he finds them attractive?
Maybe it's just Vir's version of the old story of someone (usually a woman) who falls for a guy who seems to be the biggest jerk imaginable.
Do you think Vir would imagine he would "change" her? :rommie:
Lennier's Tears
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I think he was imagining exactly that, in that scene at the end, where they are telling each other the other is "confused" or something to that effect
She's also quite young (I think?) and a product of her environment. I can see how someone (Vir) could excuse her horrible views on that basis, but actual murder is a bit harder to ignore or justify. How could she ever atone for that? I think young Vir is just not thinking straight
She's also quite young (I think?) and a product of her environment. I can see how someone (Vir) could excuse her horrible views on that basis, but actual murder is a bit harder to ignore or justify. How could she ever atone for that? I think young Vir is just not thinking straight
