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J.M.S. Updates and Blows Off Some Steam....

Oh, and BTW, I'd think JMS would be JUST as interested in our ramblings as in the moderated group. They sound pretty much like us from what I've seen. I admit I don't go there as much as Joe or anything.
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But I could see how JMS might find some fun in his NBS use or the "songs that would drive Londo insane" threads. He seems to have a great sense of humor. Heck, he's a cat lover, and cat lovers learn to laugh or they don't stay cat lovers for long!
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"Why not? Only 1 Human captain has ever survived battle with the Minbari fleet. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
 
How about we discuss some of the other content of JMS's post? Re: specifically, what of his comments comparing Legend of the Rangers to In the Beginning? If it is all that it is cracked up to be...

One helluva point of comparison, nonetheless.

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[This message has been edited by Leto II (edited July 01, 2001).]
 
I don't know how to take that. It's like this but it isn't.

I just hope it works as an effective jumping off point, which I think A Call actually acomplished(yes I realize it was a b5 not crusade but it works better as a bridge imho).

That is alot to live up to, itb.

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"Authorities say the phony pope can be recognized by his high-top sneakers and increadibly foul mouth." Kent Brockman
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> I don't know how to take that. It's like this but it isn't.
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Well, I thought that what JMS meant is that it's a Very Intense movie. The sort of thing that will have you rewatching it several times to make sure you didn't Miss Anything.

It's the sort of writing JMS likes. If smoke doesn't come out your ears, he seems to feel he hasn't done his best to make you Think.

JMS has never been a "fluf" writer. Don't expect him to cut the voltage Here.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gkarfan:
You should see how the fanfic-writers are responding to JMS' comments over at scifi.com! Not well, I'm afraid. And one in particular is calling anyone who criticizes her a "JMS Worshipper". Give me a break!

Tammy

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I know, pathetic... Like they can't see where he's coming from....
Well I guess maybe they can't, if they, unlike him, have no riches/ anything at stake....lol



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I have no doubts it will be intense and layered but I'm always suspecious when people compare one movie to another. It usually does more to confuse than clarify. "It's like Indiana Jones meets the Matrix" or some such crap. But I guess I can have more faith in JMS that he is describing it realistically.

Antony should feel honored since he's been added to the list of Nazi JMS worshipers by certain scifi nuts along with DeMartino, and anyone using that crazy logic stuff.

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"Authorities say the phony pope can be recognized by his high-top sneakers and increadibly foul mouth." Kent Brockman
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SwiftBiscuit:
I certainly have no problem moderating this forum in line with those guidelines. If Antony makes the ruling, I'll abide by it.
I read every post in this forum anyway, how else am I supposed to moderate it!
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I agree here also..

I also read at least every post in the forum I moderate and about 99% of posts on otehr forums
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What I find most distressing about authors having to stay away from places where they might, possibly see a plot idea which they might, possibly be going to use anyway and so they might, possibly be subjected to a law suit is that it stifles the flow of ideas. While in no way putting down any writer's ability, it's possible that discussing the possibilities inherent in their setting with people who are interested in that setting could spark off an idea for them which could improve their approach if they return to that setting. But the possibility of being sued hangs like a sword over them, so they have to bar themselves from that sort of discourse. Bulletin boards are supposed to be a gathering together of like minds around a common interest, a great place to breed ideas, but the authors and anyone officially involved have to stay away. How crazy is that?

Imagine if this had always been the case. In 1813 (I think!) a novel appears called, "Frankenstein, Or The Modern Prometheus". Immediately, Dr Polidori launches a lawsuit claiming that the idea came from his discussions with Shelley about the newly discovered, life-giving electrical force which Mary heard during their summer at the Villa Diodati / Maison Chapuis. Shelley launches a countersuit to say that he is gifting all of his ideas to his wife and that Polidori's suit is frivolous. Byron comments that Polidori stole his own tale "The Vampyre" from a fragment that Byron had written. Everyone's publications are withdrawn until the mess can be sorted out. Mary is unable to fund a running court battle and "Frankenstein" is withdrawn and never becomes the classic that it remains. Instead, the group were friends (well, sort of!) and behaved reasonably in regard to the ideas that spun out of their fireside chats, even though they could all have done with the money a successful law suit could have brought them. So why can't we do the same?!

<End of impassioned pleas from the heart!>

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Tammy--yep, I'm going.

Last year I went all expenses paid courtesy of the now defunt Fandom.com. I really wasn't looking forward to it, as I hate comics. But... there's a lot more than comics there, so loved it!

I wouldn't control the board that much, forbidding story ideas or "what ifs". The moderated newsgroup isn't so much a discussion medium, whereas B5LR.com's board is. So I'd have to put users before JMS on this one! But I doubt JMS even comes this way though.




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Tammy--yep, I'm going.

Last year I went all expenses paid courtesy of the now defunt Fandom.com. I really wasn't looking forward to it, as I hate comics. But... there's a lot more than comics there, so loved it!

I wouldn't control the board that much, forbidding story ideas or "what ifs". The moderated newsgroup isn't so much a discussion medium, whereas B5LR.com's board is. So I'd have to put users before JMS on this one! But I doubt JMS even comes this way though.




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Glory: "Please, call me Glory. And get up, looking at you is hurting my neck."
Dreg: "Forgive me, shiny special one. I beg of you to rip out my inadequate tongue."
Glory: "Gimme."
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>
Bulletin boards are supposed to be a gathering together of like minds around a common interest, a great place to breed ideas, but the authors and anyone officially involved have to stay away. How crazy is that?
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It really depends more on the board and the professional & personal maturity of the people posting there. I hang around in places where a number of Print (books) authors hang out. I don't recall any of them worrying overmuch about ideas being "stolen" or lawsuits. Of course, we all know that Books (in general) don't Pay well enough to keep a lawyer interested. (Unless you're trying to go after Steven King :rolleyes
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I've even been to hour long discussions at Conventions where the entire Purpose of the discussion was to come up with Story Ideas. Usually with the aim (besides entertaining the crowd) of showing how an IDEA needs to be beaten, battered, pounded, seasoned and tenderized until it surrender and becomes a Story. None of the writers who participate in these discussions worries that the audience is going to sue over his/her next book.

TV & Movies, OTOH, have the proverbial Deep Pockets. So, they get the full treatment from any lawyer who can locate a nutcase.



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It's really a case of deciding what we'd rather have here.

The knowledge that JMS was lurking around, reading our posts, or, the ability to discuss and speculate freely on everything in the B5 universe. Personally, i prefer the latter. Reading people's interpretations and ideas for the show is fascinating, and often gives me a new perspective. I wouldn't want to lose that

Just mt $0.02

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hypatia:
Heck, he's a cat lover,

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hey I never knew that ..cats are fun
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And about the board I beleive that it is really good how it is now chatting freely about bab 5 and stuff .. relaxed atmosphere


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>I hang around in places where a number of Print (books) authors hang out. I don't recall any of them worrying overmuch about ideas being "stolen" or lawsuits. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But it happens. Marion Zimmer Bradley (I believe) ended up with a completed novel that cannot be published because of something a fan posted on a site she participated in - a situation similar to what nearly happened with "Passing Through Gethesemane", except that the problem could not be resolved so easily.

Regards,

Joe

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Joseph DeMartino
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joseph-demartino@att.net
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by hypatia:
Heck, he's a cat lover,

hey I never knew that ..cats are fun
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Watch the episode of Crusade where Max Eilerson's cat, Mr. Kitty, is kidnapped.

If you read the end credits, you'll see a dedication. The Real Mr. Kitty had died shortly before JMS wrote the episode.




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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bakana:
Watch the episode of Crusade where Max Eilerson's cat, Mr. Kitty, is kidnapped.

If you read the end credits, you'll see a dedication. The Real Mr. Kitty had died shortly before JMS wrote the episode.


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Was Mr Kitty the name of JMS's cat that died?

actually I watched that ep last week I will watch it again tonight I can't remeber thye dedication.



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Deviot
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Could you imagine the amount of hero worship that would happen if jms did pop in for a night of posting? The last time I can think of anything similar happening was over at tF.n's lit forum when Kathy Tyers came out of hiding and became an active member of the community.

Somehow though, I find the idea of jms lurking here to be rather amusing, because a lot of stuff I've noticed is analysis of episodes and may present a different slant to what jms originally intended.

From a legal viewpoint however, proof is needed, and that comes in the form of IP numbers (those with the appropriate access to them - board admins, mods etc - can find out a lot using that info). How can you, or anyone else prove that someone really did come and have a look around unless he were to post and leave behind a record of it? There is really nothing to prove that a lurker even exists unless they have registered a username and use it. Hell, jms could be reading all this right now, and no-one would be any the wiser.

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made that mistake myself when I posted the topic "Ideas for new B5 movies/series". I had forgotten all about the 'Gethesmane' business, and certainly didn't realise how legally messy it could get. So, no more ideas on an open channel

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>From a legal viewpoint however, proof is needed<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not at all, and certainly not to start a legal action - which costs the defendant money regardless of how far the suit proceeds or what the outcome is.

Art Buchwald successfully sued the studio and producers responsible for the film Coming to America for lifting ideas from one of his columns. He didn't need "proof" that the individuals concerned had actually read that particular column. (What would constitute "proof" of something like that, anyway? A picture of Eddie Murphy reading the appropriate page of that day's Washington Post or Los Angeles Times?)

Buchwald's column is so widely syndicated that it is presumed that the defendants would have had access to it, at least. Then the issue became how closely the film resembled the column.

Same thing with Harlan Ellison's (successful) lawsuit againt James Cameron over The Terminator. Ellison cited similarities between the movie and two of his short stories, both of which he himself adapted for the original Outer Limits TV series. The fact that Ellison didn't have proof that Cameron had watched those particular episodes, either the first time through or in reruns, was not an issue.

If Buchwald had published in an obscure literary quarterly, or Ellison in a low-circulation SF magazine that went out of business before Cameron was born (and neither had ever been anthologized) the issue of access probably would have come up.

Applying all this to the internet is tricky. Links and search engines make finding otherwise obscure sources easy. I don't know where the courts have come down on the issue of "presumed access" with regard to the 'net. But JMS is probably wise in staying away from sites known to carry story ideas and fan fic. If nothing else he might comment on a post from such a site, forgetting where he originally saw it, and thereby provide "proof" that he was reading it.

Regards,

Joe

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Joseph DeMartino
Sigh Corps
Pat Tallman Division

joseph-demartino@att.net
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> Buchwald's column is so widely syndicated that it is presumed that the defendants would have had access to it, at least. Then the issue became how closely the film resembled the column.

Same thing with Harlan Ellison's (successful) lawsuit againt James Cameron over The Terminator. Ellison cited similarities between the movie and two of his short stories, both of which he himself adapted for the original Outer Limits TV series. The fact that Ellison didn't have proof that Cameron had watched those particular episodes, either the first time through or in reruns, was not an issue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Legal terms that get tossed around in this sort of lawsiut are:
"Preponderence of the evidence"
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"Reasonable man"

In a civil case, you don't have to Prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" as you would in a Criminal case.

You just have to convince a jury/judge that the offending party Most Likely did commit the act. In many cases the jury doesn't even have to return a 100% verdict. One member can disagree and the majority opinion Still decides the case.

IOW, if you are on a jury and the attorneys show you both pieces of "evidence" and the circumstances surrounding them, all you have to do is decide that "With all this Fertilizer, there Has to be a horse involved somewhere" in order to vote.



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