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The die-hard B5 fans probably know what I am talking about here. This is a series that you can watch through once, and love it and get most of the good scenes and have a good understanding of the story. Watch it again, and suttle details you didnt catch the first time through come out. Then, there are some lines of dialogue that are so well hidden, that perhaps you don't catch them at all. This is what I am looking for in this post my friends. Lets list some VERY suttle dialogue, and what is meant by it, or its reference into the series. I will list 3 as examples, the first being the least suttle/buried, and the last being very well hidden:
1) Kosh to Sheridan in 'Hunter, Prey.' Sheridan gets pissed that Kosh asked to see him, goes on cryptically for a bit, then says that Sheridan doesnt understand and to leave. Sheridan gets mad and asks him why he called him here, and yells 'what do you want from me? what do you want?' Kosh replies angrily 'Never ask that question!'
Of course at the time, first seeing the series, you probably wouldnt get the reference, but 'What do you want' was Morden's, and thus, the Shadows question that embodies their philosophy and belief in Chaos. This scene was almost like Yoda warning Luke about going down the path of the Darkside of the force.
2) This one is almost the exact opposite of my point #1. It is in 'Z'Ha'Dum.' Sheridan gets lead into the room with Justin, Morden, and Anna. Justin tells him 'I believe you already know Mr Morden.' Justin then asks him to come in and sit down. Sheridan asks Justin 'Who are you?' twice. Justin (who hasnt told him his name yet) replies 'Well now, that isnt really important, is it?'
Some may take this to mean that Justin was telling Sheridan that his name isn't important --- which it probably isnt. Justin goes on with some cryptic answer, finally ending in that his name is Justin. The reason _I_ think that Dialogue was there was exactly the same thing as Kosh's response to Sheridan asking him 'what do you want?' Who are you is the Vorlon's question, and their embodiment of Order. Sheridan asked that question twice to Justin. Justin may have been saying that knowing who you are isnt important, only getting what you want is. That 'WHO ARE YOU' isnt important. This would fit perfectly with Shadow philosophy.
3) The movie 'In The Begining.' Near the end of the movie the Minbari Coplann comes to give Delenn a final status of the War, before they make their final push. That she should be there for the glorious end to their holy war. She replies something to the effect of 'How much glory is left in this war now' Coplann replies 'Not as much as In the Begining' which is also the title of this movie.
I had always thought and assumed that 'In the Begining' was named as such, because it was about the begining of the Babylon 5 story --- which it is. But I think there was another purpose to the name, and that line reflects it. The line represents the Minbari admitting that there was more 'glory' to the cause of their war when it started, than there was when it was about to end. At the begining of it, it seemed as if it was a holy war, by the end all were tired of it, but it had taken a life of its own. Also all throughout the movie, Delenn grows tired of it more and more, even though she was the one who acted out of rage and started it. I think that reflection on the nature of war was one of the main reasons the movie was titled as such, and also was why that line was put in there. It is not thought of as a key line, but I think it was pretty important to the story.
Ok people, what obscure lines can you guys list and what their hidden meanings may be?
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'I don't believe in the no-win scenario' - JTK
1) Kosh to Sheridan in 'Hunter, Prey.' Sheridan gets pissed that Kosh asked to see him, goes on cryptically for a bit, then says that Sheridan doesnt understand and to leave. Sheridan gets mad and asks him why he called him here, and yells 'what do you want from me? what do you want?' Kosh replies angrily 'Never ask that question!'
Of course at the time, first seeing the series, you probably wouldnt get the reference, but 'What do you want' was Morden's, and thus, the Shadows question that embodies their philosophy and belief in Chaos. This scene was almost like Yoda warning Luke about going down the path of the Darkside of the force.
2) This one is almost the exact opposite of my point #1. It is in 'Z'Ha'Dum.' Sheridan gets lead into the room with Justin, Morden, and Anna. Justin tells him 'I believe you already know Mr Morden.' Justin then asks him to come in and sit down. Sheridan asks Justin 'Who are you?' twice. Justin (who hasnt told him his name yet) replies 'Well now, that isnt really important, is it?'
Some may take this to mean that Justin was telling Sheridan that his name isn't important --- which it probably isnt. Justin goes on with some cryptic answer, finally ending in that his name is Justin. The reason _I_ think that Dialogue was there was exactly the same thing as Kosh's response to Sheridan asking him 'what do you want?' Who are you is the Vorlon's question, and their embodiment of Order. Sheridan asked that question twice to Justin. Justin may have been saying that knowing who you are isnt important, only getting what you want is. That 'WHO ARE YOU' isnt important. This would fit perfectly with Shadow philosophy.
3) The movie 'In The Begining.' Near the end of the movie the Minbari Coplann comes to give Delenn a final status of the War, before they make their final push. That she should be there for the glorious end to their holy war. She replies something to the effect of 'How much glory is left in this war now' Coplann replies 'Not as much as In the Begining' which is also the title of this movie.
I had always thought and assumed that 'In the Begining' was named as such, because it was about the begining of the Babylon 5 story --- which it is. But I think there was another purpose to the name, and that line reflects it. The line represents the Minbari admitting that there was more 'glory' to the cause of their war when it started, than there was when it was about to end. At the begining of it, it seemed as if it was a holy war, by the end all were tired of it, but it had taken a life of its own. Also all throughout the movie, Delenn grows tired of it more and more, even though she was the one who acted out of rage and started it. I think that reflection on the nature of war was one of the main reasons the movie was titled as such, and also was why that line was put in there. It is not thought of as a key line, but I think it was pretty important to the story.
Ok people, what obscure lines can you guys list and what their hidden meanings may be?
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'I don't believe in the no-win scenario' - JTK
