Requesting input for fanfic idea

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I'm playing with an idea for merging Highlander-style immortals into the B5 universe. I will not use any of the established Highlander characters.
My first thought had been that a number of Vorlons merged with members of the younger races as part of their manipulation - on scene sleeper agents, so to speak. The thing is, the Game is a blend of Vorlon and Shadow principles.
There are sacrosanct rules, but the core is self-improvement through conflict. I also don't see Shadows as suitable for this, and anyway, the Shadows made the Technomages, while the Vorlons made the teeps. Also, at least two immortals have had watered-down teep-like abilities.
My next thought was that some of Lorien's race (of the immortal segment) parsed themselves to create the immortals among the younger races, as a backup to the Vorlon/Shadow stewardship. I like this one, as it allows an eternally bored and tired people to continue making a difference while simultaneously laying down their burdens. The catch is, to account for the Game. It would certainly not be part of the original plan. So, I figure that either Vorlon and Shadow agents must have corrupted the immortals (at least on Earth, if not elsewhere), or I need some other explanation. Supposing that the original immortals knew why they were there, and what they were intended for, and that when they are killed, the First One shard re-incarnates elsewhere, sans it's previous self-knowledge, the Game might have evolved, like myths do, as an explanation. This allows for different paths for the immortals on other worlds, and could lead to misunderstanding when, say, a human immortal whips out his sword to confront a Minbari immortal who does not know why he's being attacked. I'd figure some race's immortals might have suffered the same fate as the Narn teeps, say at the hands of Shadow Warriors and such.
I'm also thinking that the Vendrizi would know about the original creation of the immortals, and may even have a similar link to them as the B5 Parallel Universe portrays between Vendrizi and Technomages.
I'd appreciate any help/refinements/suggestions you can offer.
For those who don't care to post here about this, I can also be reached at: <font color=blue>
darkwing76@hotmail.com </font color=blue>

Thanks in advance,

 

[superbob]

Um, I hit the same barriers everytime I put pen to paper so to speak. No not the same story but the same problem. You have very good idea (like the idea of the immortals) but how to fit it in.
Look at it this way. The Vorlons and shadows represent the two forces of the universe. Order and Chaos. Stating the obvious here I know but my logic plods a bit sometimes so bear with me. Lorien knew this that's why he chose the two races. Each race has it's own reason for doing what it does. The Vorlons can be evil in the way they enforce their rigid rules. The shadows create a good solution to complacency.
One suggestion could be genetic fiddling. Not neccassarily symbiotic relationships between species but rather the creation of a champion of sorts. The shadows used the drakh as a species but Kosh used sheridan as an individual, taught him to develope as a person. Following the last great war the shadows went into hiding, a forced hibernation if you like and the Vorlons withdraw to their world with only the minimum of contact with the outside universe. A possible spin on the immortal approach could be that these "immortals" were created as champions of a cause, be it one side or the other, but a thousand years has blurred their original purpose to such a degree that they now only remember that they need to fight, some genetic urge forces them to continue the fight that was started over a millinium ago. Am helping here or am I just way of course?

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Thanks for the idea, Superbob. I was thinking of the First One shard bit to explain the lightning bolts when immortals lose their heads, so the genetic idea needs to account for that, but hmmmm....I'll have to stew on that. Also, it would need to be several thousand years ago, to fit events shown on the Highlander show, but since the Shadows come out every so often to kick over all the ant hills, it would just be an earlier cycle.
Again, thanks for the input,

 

[Morden]

I've been thinking about doing a story where bounty hunters try and capture G'Kar.
It would have to take place between the end of Season 2 and the beginning of Season 4. (Late Season 2 he asked for sanctuary, early Season 4 Cartagia captured him, shortly afterwords he freed Narn removing the price on him)
Sheridan did give G'Kar asylum, but come on, for the money and or revenge someone would have tried capturing G'Kar. Heck, make it one of Refa's associates if you want.

 

[superbob]

Or to throw a spanner into the works, make it a telepath connection and have good ol' Al pull the strings! or maybe even better. What about Morden? The Narns are the only younger species with a documented history of the Shadows. The Minbari are not on the same level as the others, somewhere between younger and first one status!
So Morden looks to get G'kar from revealing his knowledge (to Garbaldi later on) under the pretext of G'kar being an "outlaw"

 

[Morden]

I didn't really think of making it that big, but do what you want. I'll look forward to it.

 

[Kribu]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Morden:
<font color=yellow>I've been thinking about doing a story where bounty hunters try and capture G'Kar. </font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Hey, if you ever get around to it, you'll have one reader lined up already! /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

 

[superbob]

So much for objectivity! Kribu we all know how biased you are!

 

[Kribu]

Hey, what's wrong with being biased? /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif At least my bias is out in the open.

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Morden definitely should have either made a move himself, hired bounty hunters, or contacted PsiCorps/EarthGov. He would logically have done so, either at Londo's behest, or his associates'. Given his contacts in EarthGov, he could have had a Senator put pressure on the Joint Chiefs to order Sheridan to rescind G'Kar's sanctuary (prior to the break with earth), or said Senator could have ordered a hit/extraction after the break. PsiCorps would have gladly done so as a favor, even though G'Kar meant nothing to them.
Now, since in "In the Beginning", G'Kar sold Earth weapons during the Earth-Minbari war, and tried to help mediate, elements in EarthGov might have tried to protect him, either by trying to prevent the order, or warning G'Kar.
Naturally, some Centauri rakes would try to collect the price and/or revenge, and bounty hunters of any species would try to do so as well. Refa and Londo would not be the only Centauri lords looking for his head, and even some Narn collaborators/apologists might think that turning him over to the Centauri would help to appease the Centauri, and maybe help the Narns out in the long run.
This could make a really good story.
BTW, I'm still looking for input on my idea about melding immortals into the B5 universe...

 

[Morden]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Darkwing:
This could make a really good story.
<hr></blockquote>

Didn't I tell you?
Personally, I don't think the Shadows would have a motive to get rid of G'Kar, he's just an angry narn, but I'm not writing this story.

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Morden:
<font color=yellow>Personally, I don't think the Shadows would have a motive to get rid of G'Kar</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

The Shadows wouldn't, but too many of the characters that Morden has links with either would have a motive, or wouldn't mind helping someone who would. Morden, therefore, would likely be involved at least peripherally in removing G'Kar, regardless of his personal feelings. Just part of the games he plays, nothing personal, you understand.

 

[Morden]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Darkwing:
Just part of the games he plays, nothing personal, you understand.<hr></blockquote>

You don't have to tell me about Morden's behavior, I wrote the book on it. Hey, I am the book on it.
I hope you write the fanfic., you've taken a simple idea by me and twisted it into something which maybe a very good read. Just make sure you don't forget to include G'Kar's humor in the dialogue, and don't forget to put me in the credits.

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Morden:
<font color=yellow>You don't have to tell me about Morden's behavior, I wrote the book on it. Hey, I am the book on it.
I hope you write the fanfic., you've taken a simple idea by me and twisted it into something which maybe a very good read. Just make sure you don't forget to include G'Kar's humor in the dialogue, and don't forget to put me in the credits.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
I couldn't - I'm already working on 2 ST fanfics, a B5/Highlander blend fic, a B5AU/Marvel comics x-over, a Highlander rpg background, and a Timelords (rpg) fanfic, and having trouble focussing on one project at a time. I come up with ideas far faster than I can use them. Thanks for the kind thought, though I can't see how I could compete against you in writing your autobiography....

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I could still use some feedback and critiquing of my fanfic idea. To recap: Highlander-style Immortals are created by Lorien's people giving shards of themselves to younger races as a back-up to Vorlon/Shadow stewardship, but the Vorlons/Shadows corrupted this (at least on Earth), creating the Game. This is intended as background, maybe a revelation for B5 folks, in the timeframe of "season 6-7", rather than using B5 as a backdrop for Highlander, and no shown Highlander characters will be used. I'm still trying to figure out how to work this in. Please help! I haven't gotten past my initial idea, and seem to have a bit of writer's block.
Thank you,

 

[A_M_Swallow]

When Sheridan was on Earth the part of Lorien inside him could have called the other imortals to Babylon 5 or possibly the Great Machine.

Next what is the personality of your hero? Who does he serve?

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by A_M_Swallow:
<font color=yellow>When Sheridan was on Earth the part of Lorien inside him could have called the other imortals to Babylon 5 or possibly the Great Machine.

Next what is the personality of your hero? Who does he serve?</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote> That's an interesting idea - and they needn't even realise it conciously.
Right now, I have this idea for fitting them into the B5 universe, but aside from the base concept, an image of a Drazi immortal puzzled that a human immortal wants his head (due to not having the Game on his world), and the idea that the Vendrizi know the scoop, I haven't got any characters or plot yet. I'd like to refine the concept, and then try to work up a story to use that background material. The B5 characters would necessarily be the main ones, so any immortals would be guest stars or spear carriers. Actually, I did just have the image of an older immortal going through customs w/ his student, who is recognised by someone in ?Earthforce as a dead shipmate, which could be the unraveling point of the immortal secret for the story. Hmmmm....
Again, thanks for any help,