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Seasons 4 & 5, what might have been..

I myself like season 5. I am currently in the middle of watching season 5 right now.

One thing I'm beginning to discover is that I am beginning to not like Lochley as much as I used to for some reason. I think I'm seeing why so many whined that she wasn't Ivanova after season 4 was over.
 
I wasnt a big fan of the character either. She seemed like one of those types who tries too hard to be a badass and tough. I liked her a _bit_ more in Crusade, but for some reason the character just never really grew on me. *shrug*

I will go on record as saying I am glad CC wasnt in season 5. I would have puked up a lung watching her fall for Byron as JMS had planned for her. That arc makes SOOOOOOO much more sense with Lyta filling that spot anyway. It just seems so natural that I cant even imagine that Ivanova was supposed to fill that spot. That and the idea of a tough character like Ivanova falling for a tree-hugger like Byron. *ick*
 
Granted , I'm basing an opinion here on second hand info but the way I see it (and read it) it appears that S5 was an afterthought as a result of filming politics. People worked with what they had and I think I'm in for a disappointing run with season 5. Many people have compared it to season 1 , which I didn't really enjoy all that much. It really was good but it somehow lacked what the other seasons gave me. Personal opinion!
Although I must admit. "Sleeping in the light" strikes me as an episode worth watching and savouring, that I am looking forward to!
 
Superbob, don't listen to people. Watch season 5 and make up your own mind. Personally, I love season 5 just as much as any other season. It is the resolution, the denounment (spelling), so that's why I think people dont' like it. Seems to me most people got excited over the wars and the action, the climactic stuff. Wheras, season 5 settles down a bit and resolves what came before it (though there is drama and actiona aplenty!!!)

Anyway... enough ranting. Just watch season 5 with an open mind. Don't expect Season 4. You've seen the climax so now watch the resolution.
 
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by superbob:
<font color=yellow>I think I'm in for a disappointing run with season 5.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
It's just *so* personal. Don't expect too much, that's fine - then you'll have more room to be pleasantly surprised instead of bitterly disappointed - but do keep an open mind.

Of course, I'm biased - as I've said before in this thread, I loved S5 and consider it more or less on par with S3 (my overall favourite), although it could have used a bit less Byron. /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif
 
Recoil, I'm gonna have to disagree with you. Season 5 could have been so much better with Ivanova.

I don't mind how season 4 was compressed. Sure, it would have been great to have the season end with Intersections in Real Time as the cliffhanger, as was JMS' original intent, but the way it was handled was good, too. I also don't hate Byron as much as others. Yes, the idea of having Byron earlier but as a smaller presence to space out the telepath thing would have been great, but there it is.

The one major thing I regret being lost for season 5 is Ivanova. Heck, I don't even like her (and I think Claudia Christian's acting is the worst of the major characters), but the setup for her possible role in season 5 was perfect. Her own issues with telepaths and their persecution, as well as the loss and regret over Marcus, would make her ripe for the Byron story-arc. As commander of B5 taking up the cause of the telepaths, she would find herself in direct conflict between her two greatest battles: telepaths and B5/Sheridan. She'd be stuck in the middle until Byron dies. Then, she would realise how he used her (albeit subconsciously, perhaps) and that her struggle with her real friends were for nothing, and all because she was hiding from herself the real reason she hooked up with Byron in the first place: Marcus. End result: the bitter, despondent General Ivanova we see in Sleeping in Light.

Now, you tell me if that wouldn't make for some amazing television.

When I first read about what could/would have happened with that, I was stunned. It is the perfect way to end the series. And it didn't happen.

Oh sure, they did a fine job making up for it, but the loss of the central character to season 5 was a vicious blow to the show. With her in it, season 5 could have been the best of the show, despite the other changes with the story arc spacing.

Although it would be made fun of a lot, perhaps it would have been better to use a different actress to portray the Ivanova character. Sure, it would be weird (especially with Sleeping in Light airing after it), but at least the great story would have been kept.

I know there is a huge "I love Lyta" contingency at this board, but let's be real- her character simply did not have the development and depth that Ivanova did, simply because she wasn't on the show as long, nor was she a major character. The significance of her hooking up with Byron isn't as powerful as if Ivanova would have done it, given the whole Marcus thing.

Did they do a good job with season 5 given the difficulties they faced, including the loss of the central character? Yes. Unfortunately, it never had a chance to compare with seasons that preceeded it.

That being said, there's a lot to like in season 5, especially Londo. It's just missing that "umph" that 3 & 4 had.
 
oh, I never thought of what Ivanova's role would have been in season 5 with regards to the telepaths..............wow, man, that would have been amazing!!
 
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by A_Ranger:
<font color=yellow>Superbob, don't listen to people. Watch season 5 and make up your own mind. Personally, I love season 5 just as much as any other season. It is the resolution, the denounment (spelling), so that's why I think people dont' like it. Seems to me most people got excited over the wars and the action, the climactic stuff. Wheras, season 5 settles down a bit and resolves what came before it (though there is drama and actiona aplenty!!!)

Anyway... enough ranting. Just watch season 5 with an open mind. Don't expect Season 4. You've seen the climax so now watch the resolution.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

make no mistake I will definitely watch S5, if for no other reason other than it being the final for B5 and I am dying to sleeping in the light! However I forgot all about the fact that there is a shuffle of characters. I saw lachley in Crusade and forgot that she runs B5 etc. Mixed emotions man!
 
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Recoil:
<font color=yellow>I wasnt a big fan of the character either. She seemed like one of those types who tries too hard to be a badass and tough. I liked her a _bit_ more in Crusade, but for some reason the character just never really grew on me. *shrug*

I will go on record as saying I am glad CC wasnt in season 5. I would have puked up a lung watching her fall for Byron as JMS had planned for her. That arc makes SOOOOOOO much more sense with Lyta filling that spot anyway. It just seems so natural that I cant even imagine that Ivanova was supposed to fill that spot. That and the idea of a tough character like Ivanova falling for a tree-hugger like Byron. *ick*</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I agree. Ivanova falling for Byron just would've been sooooo wrong!!! /ubbthreads/images/icons/eek.gif
 

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