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SFWire posted the ratings

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Folks should not assume that those who post here don't have access to more information than B5LR (or even any other web site) has posted. It would be incorrect in some number of cases. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes we have at least two folks on this board who have such knowledge. I have yet to see them contradict JMS's account of the ratings. Also JMS has seen a detailed report of the ratings. He posted as much on Jan. 28. His message is also reproduced at this site. In it he reveals knowledge of the average rating as well as ratings breakdowns according to geography, quarter hour and demographic. As far as I know, the geographic breakdown is NOT available to the Nielsen folks on this board.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>So you are going to compare the performance of "The Fifth Element" against Ravens/Dolphins and Rangers against Pats/Raiders to find a benchmarker. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I assume you mean Bears/Eagles rather than Ravens/Dolphins, since that would be the game that was up against 5th Element. Ravens/Dolphins was the previous weekend.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Actually I'd be interested in seeing the LA, San Diego and San Fran ratings for "Fifth Element" and "Stargate". Something tells me these programs did not break 3.0 in the west. But hey I'm just guessing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, in San Diego they were no better than a 2.0, according to:
http://www.timewarnersd.com/weekend.htm

(Look at the table for the weekend of Jan 18-20.)


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Well, in San Diego they were no better than a 2.0, according to:
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Didn't think that they would be. If we want to select out the effect of the football game simply look at the west coast. Unless you think there is something odd about the west coast then you must make the incredible conclusion that Rangers would have done well nationally if not for the game. Now that was not to hard was it?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by westtim:
Also JMS has seen a detailed report of the ratings. He posted as much on Jan. 28. His message is also reproduced at this site. In it he reveals knowledge of the average rating as well as ratings breakdowns according to geography, quarter hour and demographic. As far as I know, the geographic breakdown is NOT available to the Nielsen folks on this board.
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You might want to check carefully your assumptions before making these kinds of statements.

JMS posted a message dated (according to my system) January 27 to .mod (though as I look at it closely, it seems to have a JMS header of January 28 GMT). I don't know if this is the message to which you refer. If it isn't, can you please post a pointer to it?

Assuming, for the sake of efficiency, that this is the correct message, there are a number of items to note related to your post in it. First, never does Joe say he has personally seen the Nielsen Reports. He talks about figures not the Reports, themselves. Remember, this is the man who has profound math problems (by his own statements) so I'm not sure I'd really want him looking at numbers anyhow.

Second, he never says that he's seen a demographic breakdown for Rangers. He notes that, "the B5 male demos are pretty much the same as for sports" (which is the opposite of what he said when it came to comment on TNT/Crusade).

Remember that it is and must be an Executive Producer, President, or CEO's job to present information in a way that puts it in a good manner. If they didn't do this, they'd be failing to do their job. As a viewer of that information, it's important to look carefully at the spin and see "What's it all about?" to quote from a certain set of First Ones.

You might not want to assume that because someone does not refute something that it means they agree with it either. I don't know about you but I pick my fights. Also, some days I actually have a life beyond B5LR. Others may have these and other reasons as well.

As for geographic breakdown. I believe those with access directly or indirectly to this information will be able to get geographic data as well. How do you think SCI-FI gets this information? Perhaps everyone is using the same sources.

By the way, the quote from westtim on my previous posting is actually two quotes which were not joined. Although I put a "snip" between them, I don't seem to be able to get the "snip" into the message post. I don't believe I changed westtim's meaning and was snipping for brevity and relevance. For the sake of accuracy, I did want to mention this.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PsionTen:
I've read statements like this ever since the ratings were first announced and I took them at face value ... now I'm not so sure. How on earth do you know that Rangers would have pulled in a 2.6 if not for the football game? What if there had been no football game and Rangers pulled in a 2.0 (which is what I thought it would get all along) Just because it did really good in San Diego or whatever doesn't tell you how it would have played in Atlanta or Boston. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point.

On the other hand, I refuse to believe that every other B5 fan in the Eastern Time Zone moved to the west coast...
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I don't remember what the statistic was for one city or the entire coast, but LoTR got a 3.9 for their first showing since it came after the game.

I say again I do not know if this is for the coast or a city or two. (think SanDiego)

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Does anybody find it odd that Scifi has 2 listings for B5:LOTR. I have never seen 2 listings for the same show. When B5 was shown 5 days a week on the weekly ratings update, they only showed the highest ratings. For example:

Mon 1.0
Tue .9
Wed 1.1
Thur .8
Fri 1.0

The only ratings that Scifi showed would be the one from Wed. 1.1.

I just found it odd that they showed 2 ratings for 2 showings.


Cerberus

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I've read all of the posts in this thread and no one mentioned the obvious: four of the top ten SFC shows were of the B5 universe. Now before we get too excited, the B5 line-up did consume most of SFC's prime time space for that week.

I wonder, how do the ratings for the 'B5 Week' compare with prior and subsequent weeks? If overall, the 'B5 Week' ratings were good that would bode well for us. Otherwise...well, not so good.

As one or more of you would say, there are quite a few apples and oranges above. However, I think a point worth considering is viewing the entire week as 'B5 Week' and compare how B5 rated versus other weeks. SFC might consider this another measure of general B5 audience appeal.

I also find it interesting that "Thirdspace" did better than "A Call to Arms".

BTW, I watched "Fifth Element" and part of "Stargate" in that month too. I hadn't seen "Stargate" for years. As for 'fifth', there was nothing else on that interested me (I may have watched it on the USA channel, however.). I wasn't worried at all about missing the old B5 movies because I have them on tape and have seen each of them many, many times. However, I only missed 'In the Beginning'.

Cheers all,

Eirik



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PsionTen:
Why? Because if there had been no football game and it fell short of 2.6, there would be no excuses -- it didn't meet the goal, ergo no series... case closed<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is quite possibly the first intelligent argument I have seen you post here. Yes, exactly correct as far as I can tell (Im not expert on the matter). And it is because of that VERY point you made, that there is still plenty of hope for a series. There is an excuse now for the low ratings, a very big and obvious excuse, which is why people giving up hope on a series at this point does not make sense. Had Rangers gotten the ratings it did with no football game, that would have ended it. It didnt. It got those ratings against the highest rated NFL playoff game in YEARS. And pulled decent numbers from some West Coast areas that werent opposite the game.

Bottom line: Yes there is an excuse, and it is because of that reason there is still a very good chance things can work out for a Rangers series.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>That is quite possibly the first intelligent argument I have seen you post here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know why, but I'll take that as a compliment.

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"Dawn's in trouble? Must be Tuesday." -- Buffy Summers, "Once More With Feeling."
 
I watched both of the Saturday night airings. And if the movie got such a low rating in the EST, then I am one of the seeming few that watched the movie and not the football game in the EST.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eirik:

I wonder, how do the ratings for the 'B5 Week' compare with prior and subsequent weeks? If overall, the 'B5 Week' ratings were good that would bode well for us. Otherwise...well, not so good.

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I believe the movie that ran on the previous Monday "Robin Cook's Invasion" got a 0.9 and the one that ran the previous Tuesday (Escape From Mars) got a 0.8.

The Wednesday and Thursday ones were apparently lower because they weren't mentioned like River of Souls and A Call to Arms weren't mentioned.

It doesn't surprise me that Call To Arms didn't make the top 10. Thursday night between 9 and 11, is the highest rated night for network TV (CSI, ER, Will and Grace).

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>You might not want to assume that because someone does not refute something that it means they agree with it either. I don't know about you but I pick my fights. Also, some days I actually have a life beyond B5LR. Others may have these and other reasons as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is the B5LR performance on the west cost a matter for debate? Are you saying that it did not perform well there? Not much room for debate here. Either the numbers in San Diego, LA and San Fran exceeded a 2.6 or they didn't.

I pick my fights as well. When I see a misguided attempt to compare movie performance and B5LR performance I'm going to call someone on it.

Congrats about having a life. We all do.
Moving on now.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by westtim:

Actually I'd be interested in seeing the LA, San Diego and San Fran ratings for "Fifth Element" and "Stargate". Something tells me these programs did not break 3.0 in the west. But hey I'm just guessing.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fifth Element and Stargate run against football on the West Coast too?

By my calculations, football ran from 1:30 PT to 8:42PT. Fifth Element ran from 3:30 to 6:30 PT. Stargate ran from 6:30 to 9:00PT.

Since they ran against football on the West Coast, I would agree with you. Those movies probably didn't do a 3.0 on the West Coast.

Only B5LR didn't run against football in the Pacific Feed. It may have helped the overall average B5LR got. Otherwise, it would have been against football everywhere, just like the other movies.

I also have a question: Did JMS post a full list of the West Coast market ratings and did I miss it? What did he say it got in Los Angeles and San Francisco, the two biggest markets?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> Is the B5LR performance on the west cost a matter for debate? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you actually have the numbers for the west coast, or just a few cities on the west coast? There is a difference.

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"Dawn's in trouble? Must be Tuesday." -- Buffy Summers, "Once More With Feeling."
 
They are talking about overall West Coast ratings.

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