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Blake00
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Yeah.. episode 5.. wow.. If people here disliked it you don't have to worry about me arguing with you on this one guys. As this episode broke me too, or more precisely it broke my enjoyment of the show. I didn't enjoy that at all. I thought maybe if I sleep on it I'd feel better but nope, today I'm even grumpier about it haha. Up until now I've only had little nitpicks and have really enjoyed show and have defended it when people have complained about it "not feeling like star trek" but there was next to nothing Star Trek feeling about Ep 5. Those people who complained about past eps not being star trek are gonna looooooove this one lol. I don't wanna walk away from a Star Trek episode feeling frustrated and miserable. When they played the exciting trailer for the next ep and all the cool Borg stuff at the end I didn't even give s***. I was like.. whatever. They're gonna have to work hard in the next few eps to undo the damage that one just did. I can only hope that they had to go that dark and callous to setup the audience to be brought back to the light and happy ending lol. But I can't help but think that if it turned me off that badly then all those people out there who's really not been that into the new show and were barely holding on will probably be like "stuff this!" and be done with it after seeing that ep lol.
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Like I said.. they're gonna need to work hard to undo the damage this episode did. I think I'd rather rewatch most of the episodes in discovery season 1 than ever watch that episode again lol.
Everywhere I go so far I've seem pretty horrified responses to ep5. I've seen a couple of dudes say they loved ep5 though, I was like WAAAT lol.
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Like I said.. they're gonna need to work hard to undo the damage this episode did. I think I'd rather rewatch most of the episodes in discovery season 1 than ever watch that episode again lol.
Everywhere I go so far I've seem pretty horrified responses to ep5. I've seen a couple of dudes say they loved ep5 though, I was like WAAAT lol.
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Blake00
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Agreed!
Probably noticed I haven't posted here since I blew up a bit over Ep5 haha. I have kept watching the show though but was less invested in it to continue posting my episode round ups. I said after ep 5 that they'd really need some good eps to undo the damage that did, so...
Here's my thoughts on eps 6-9..
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Springer
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I really enjoyed episodes 6, 7 and 8, and can forgive episode 5 - even B5 had its occasional misstep. Episode 9 lost me a little bit, mainly because I was a bit confused watching it and trying to follow all the characters' motivations – I probably need to watch it again. I like most of the cast, though the character of Elnor hasn't really won me over. But at least Seven gets to do some cool stuff.
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Ubik
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I have to admit, I was initially so stoked for this. TNG was a big part of my early teens, and it also led me to B5 and other SF.
With every passing episodes I like it less and less. I felt like it opened quite well, setting up the pieces, giving us a few things to chew on. But the show is so consumed with having 'an arc' that they've forgotten how to tell a good story in a single episode. And when the arc itself has left me shaking my head, it's really hard to stay engaged with ST: Picard when even the overarching plot just feels contrived, weird and dull.
As for the new characters, I still feel like we know next to nothing about them and I have trouble remembering their names. Han Solo guy, murdery cyberneticist with funny quips, drinky ex-startfleet officer and ninja space elf... I mean, I am 9 episodes in and I can barely name them, let alone care about them. And the whole spiel in Ep 9 with Agnes Jurati saying the crew was 'family' or 'a gang' was just so dumb, as they've barely bonded at all.
I honestly though the Riker / Troi episode was the most callous of them all. Whilst it was lovely to see them both back on screen, it added nothing. They sat around and made pizza for an entire episode and managed some ham-fisted 'emotional' moments, none of which were earned in any way. I hated the 'dead kid' plot as well. It felt cheap and totally unnecessary.
Starting to wish they had left this very much alone. It has strong member-berries vibes, and I can see why people might compare it to the new Star Wars stuff. Whilst Disco had its flaws, it's still a good deal better than this.
With every passing episodes I like it less and less. I felt like it opened quite well, setting up the pieces, giving us a few things to chew on. But the show is so consumed with having 'an arc' that they've forgotten how to tell a good story in a single episode. And when the arc itself has left me shaking my head, it's really hard to stay engaged with ST: Picard when even the overarching plot just feels contrived, weird and dull.
As for the new characters, I still feel like we know next to nothing about them and I have trouble remembering their names. Han Solo guy, murdery cyberneticist with funny quips, drinky ex-startfleet officer and ninja space elf... I mean, I am 9 episodes in and I can barely name them, let alone care about them. And the whole spiel in Ep 9 with Agnes Jurati saying the crew was 'family' or 'a gang' was just so dumb, as they've barely bonded at all.
I honestly though the Riker / Troi episode was the most callous of them all. Whilst it was lovely to see them both back on screen, it added nothing. They sat around and made pizza for an entire episode and managed some ham-fisted 'emotional' moments, none of which were earned in any way. I hated the 'dead kid' plot as well. It felt cheap and totally unnecessary.
Starting to wish they had left this very much alone. It has strong member-berries vibes, and I can see why people might compare it to the new Star Wars stuff. Whilst Disco had its flaws, it's still a good deal better than this.
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Springer
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Hey Ubik, good to see you around these parts again.
I've been watching through DS9 on Netflix, and while I like it, the same thing bothers me now that did back when it originally aired, which is that it lacks a sense of, I don't know, grounded realism in its world-building, characters and environment compared to B5. The station doesn't feel lived in at all, it's all too clean and it comes across as plasticky, for want of a better word, and the world-building is often superficial, which then reflects on the characters. They'll give Sisko a character trait such as liking baseball, and then make him out to be eccentric for having a hobby that doesn't have some lofty goal behind it. O'Brien and Bashir are ribbed for their 'juvenile' holo-deck adventures. It probably harks back to a lot of the foundations that Roddenberry set in stone when he conceived TNG where he wanted the characters to set aside a lot of the human condition - completely at odds with the original series (TNG is my favourite Trek series, btw, so I'm not meaning this as an attack on the show).
I think with Discovery and now Picard, the writing teams have tried to go in the opposite direction, trying to make their characters and their world-building feel more real, to try and include some more of the human condition. And some of it is derivative, or unmemorable, and some of it jars with what we've come to expect from Star Trek. We've never seen a Starfleet (or ex-Starfleet) character as messed up as Raffi, or someone as loose-living as Rios. Some people will say those kinds of characters don't have a place in Star Trek, and I admit it's caused me to raise my eyebrows and I'm not sure how I feel about it either, in terms of its place in the Star Trek universe. But while the characters aren't as memorable yet as some of the old Star Trek characters, they feel more like real people to me than many of the characters in DS9, for example. Maybe the problem with the characters in Picard is that making them feel real, in terms of character traits and the world around them, isn't enough on its own to make the characters memorable. Instead, it's their decisions and choices that will determine that. But there's still time – how many TNG or DS9 characters were considered memorable after just 9 episodes in their first seasons?
I've been watching through DS9 on Netflix, and while I like it, the same thing bothers me now that did back when it originally aired, which is that it lacks a sense of, I don't know, grounded realism in its world-building, characters and environment compared to B5. The station doesn't feel lived in at all, it's all too clean and it comes across as plasticky, for want of a better word, and the world-building is often superficial, which then reflects on the characters. They'll give Sisko a character trait such as liking baseball, and then make him out to be eccentric for having a hobby that doesn't have some lofty goal behind it. O'Brien and Bashir are ribbed for their 'juvenile' holo-deck adventures. It probably harks back to a lot of the foundations that Roddenberry set in stone when he conceived TNG where he wanted the characters to set aside a lot of the human condition - completely at odds with the original series (TNG is my favourite Trek series, btw, so I'm not meaning this as an attack on the show).
I think with Discovery and now Picard, the writing teams have tried to go in the opposite direction, trying to make their characters and their world-building feel more real, to try and include some more of the human condition. And some of it is derivative, or unmemorable, and some of it jars with what we've come to expect from Star Trek. We've never seen a Starfleet (or ex-Starfleet) character as messed up as Raffi, or someone as loose-living as Rios. Some people will say those kinds of characters don't have a place in Star Trek, and I admit it's caused me to raise my eyebrows and I'm not sure how I feel about it either, in terms of its place in the Star Trek universe. But while the characters aren't as memorable yet as some of the old Star Trek characters, they feel more like real people to me than many of the characters in DS9, for example. Maybe the problem with the characters in Picard is that making them feel real, in terms of character traits and the world around them, isn't enough on its own to make the characters memorable. Instead, it's their decisions and choices that will determine that. But there's still time – how many TNG or DS9 characters were considered memorable after just 9 episodes in their first seasons?
Ubik
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You make a really good point there, I guess I just wish the show had given some space for the new characters to really breathe and develop, instead of shoe-horning in old cast members where they really weren't required. It's that fan service thing, it's rarely a service and more a dis-service to the show. I still think it's too beholden to 'the arc', and they have forgotten the appeal of self contained adventures that would give us an attachment to the new cast.
Perhaps I am being too harsh. I remember HATING the first few seasons of DS9, but was very fond of it by the end. Maybe in another 2 seasons, I will love Rios, Raffi and Agnes? Who knows!
I used to see S1 of B5 as something t be endured, but I now very much enjoy it. So yeah, opinions change.
Ubik
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Oh dear... where to start with the season finale? Or indeed the season seen as a whole. WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD
Magical tech solves all the plot problems!
Characters are mysteriously emotional about people they barely know!
The entire crew have barely had the chance to get to know each other, yet they are all VERY upset about Picard. Also, Data and Picard were never that close and the whole data thing feels weirdly tacked on.
Also, why have we never heard of this all powerful machine AI that's coming to wipe out everyone? I wondered if there could be a link to Control in Disco, but nope.
I enjoyed Riker turning up with a fleet, but again it all seemed so implausible given the stance of the Federation on synthetics and Picard himself.
This whole season was just a mess, and I feel like they could have opted for a 2 hour pilot movie that throws the disparate characters together, then we get proper 'episodes' on the ship. The whole Dahj and Soji / Romluan / Borg plot could have been scrapped with minimal impact, which says a lot about its quality.
So, where the season ends finally puts us in a good place for a more traditional Trek show where the crew go have adventures. Hey, maybe we can ever get some character development and get to know them!?
But, as I see it, there's no 'why' or overarching purpose to them together as a crew now. Overall, this was a pretty terrible season of TV that could have been so much more.
Magical tech solves all the plot problems!
Characters are mysteriously emotional about people they barely know!
The entire crew have barely had the chance to get to know each other, yet they are all VERY upset about Picard. Also, Data and Picard were never that close and the whole data thing feels weirdly tacked on.
Also, why have we never heard of this all powerful machine AI that's coming to wipe out everyone? I wondered if there could be a link to Control in Disco, but nope.
I enjoyed Riker turning up with a fleet, but again it all seemed so implausible given the stance of the Federation on synthetics and Picard himself.
This whole season was just a mess, and I feel like they could have opted for a 2 hour pilot movie that throws the disparate characters together, then we get proper 'episodes' on the ship. The whole Dahj and Soji / Romluan / Borg plot could have been scrapped with minimal impact, which says a lot about its quality.
So, where the season ends finally puts us in a good place for a more traditional Trek show where the crew go have adventures. Hey, maybe we can ever get some character development and get to know them!?
But, as I see it, there's no 'why' or overarching purpose to them together as a crew now. Overall, this was a pretty terrible season of TV that could have been so much more.
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Springer
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Just watched the finale, I have some mixed feelings towards it.
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I didn't like the silly Romulan myth and the tentacled aliens that were coming through the portal. In fact, I've not liked the Romulans at all in this series – they don't feel like Romulans to me. So I guess what Narek was saying is not that it was prophecy, but that history repeats and that android civilisations always call down those android overlords.
I also didn't like the lazy starship design - the new Starfleet design (Curiosity-class, apparently) was cool enough, can see it as an evolution of the Enterprise E, but would have hoped to have seen some variety in both fleets.
I really hated Rios calling Nerak a 'snakehead', I think he used that terminology last episode too. It was used as a derogatory term in Babylon 5, I certainly do not expect to hear it in Star Trek (and for Rios to not even get called out for using it).
Can someone remind me where that bit of magic technology came from? I have no recollection but I guess it must have been an earlier episode?
On the other hand, I liked the character interactions, I liked that the conclusion wasn't a big space battle but an appeal to the better angels of Soji's nature. Narek teaming up with Rios, Elnor and Raffi was something I didn't expect, so that was cool. Really liked Picard and Data's final meeting, I thought that was lovely, and Riker showing up leading the fleet made me smile (though it did make little sense for him to be the one leading it unless he'd made overtures to Starfleet after Picard departed his planet).
The season has been a bit of a bumpy ride, and not quite the fantastic television event I'd hoped for, but I think half of the episodes have been good, two or three okay, and only one or two have been bad IMO. I'd give the season overall a B-.
Raffi and Elnor have history with Picard going back years. They had a right to be emotional. Rios was melancholic about it, Seven didn't seem to much care (I'd love to know how she first met Picard). Soji and Agnes were obviously busy doing something about it.
I think the emphasis on their friendship was more of a movie thing – First Contact and Nemesis in particular. Though rewatching TNG, I think Picard gets as close to Data as he does any of the crew, but more in a father figure way.
I think what haunted Picard isn't just that Data died, it's that he died to save Picard. I liked that Picard called Data sacrificing himself the most 'Data' thing he'd ever done. I always saw it as the most human thing Data ever did, and seeing as he wanted to be human, it felt right for his character progression (and yet it also felt wrong as I hated that they killed Data).
I do agree with this sentiment, but it seems the way of the TV world today to stretch stories out over endless episodes, I don't think Picard is the only one afflicted by this. I was just watching Confessions and Lamentations today (I know, topical) and I really marvelled at how JMS got so much story into 43 minutes. If that had been made today the plague story would have been stretched over a season and we'd have all been interminably bored by it.
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I didn't like the silly Romulan myth and the tentacled aliens that were coming through the portal. In fact, I've not liked the Romulans at all in this series – they don't feel like Romulans to me. So I guess what Narek was saying is not that it was prophecy, but that history repeats and that android civilisations always call down those android overlords.
I also didn't like the lazy starship design - the new Starfleet design (Curiosity-class, apparently) was cool enough, can see it as an evolution of the Enterprise E, but would have hoped to have seen some variety in both fleets.
I really hated Rios calling Nerak a 'snakehead', I think he used that terminology last episode too. It was used as a derogatory term in Babylon 5, I certainly do not expect to hear it in Star Trek (and for Rios to not even get called out for using it).
Can someone remind me where that bit of magic technology came from? I have no recollection but I guess it must have been an earlier episode?
On the other hand, I liked the character interactions, I liked that the conclusion wasn't a big space battle but an appeal to the better angels of Soji's nature. Narek teaming up with Rios, Elnor and Raffi was something I didn't expect, so that was cool. Really liked Picard and Data's final meeting, I thought that was lovely, and Riker showing up leading the fleet made me smile (though it did make little sense for him to be the one leading it unless he'd made overtures to Starfleet after Picard departed his planet).
The season has been a bit of a bumpy ride, and not quite the fantastic television event I'd hoped for, but I think half of the episodes have been good, two or three okay, and only one or two have been bad IMO. I'd give the season overall a B-.
Raffi and Elnor have history with Picard going back years. They had a right to be emotional. Rios was melancholic about it, Seven didn't seem to much care (I'd love to know how she first met Picard). Soji and Agnes were obviously busy doing something about it.
I think the emphasis on their friendship was more of a movie thing – First Contact and Nemesis in particular. Though rewatching TNG, I think Picard gets as close to Data as he does any of the crew, but more in a father figure way.
I think what haunted Picard isn't just that Data died, it's that he died to save Picard. I liked that Picard called Data sacrificing himself the most 'Data' thing he'd ever done. I always saw it as the most human thing Data ever did, and seeing as he wanted to be human, it felt right for his character progression (and yet it also felt wrong as I hated that they killed Data).
I do agree with this sentiment, but it seems the way of the TV world today to stretch stories out over endless episodes, I don't think Picard is the only one afflicted by this. I was just watching Confessions and Lamentations today (I know, topical) and I really marvelled at how JMS got so much story into 43 minutes. If that had been made today the plague story would have been stretched over a season and we'd have all been interminably bored by it.
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Sinclair
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With all this extra time I now find on my hands I subscribed to the free week trial and have crammed all of 'Picard and 'Discovery into slightly over two days.
I have a lot if the same sentiments that you have all shared. I'm not really sure what my expectations were going into it, but I can say that overall I was satisfied. I too was confused as to the amount of emotion several off these characters felt for each other in so short a time. Some things here and there seemed a little too forced.
It'll be curious to see what the arc next season will be. It sounds like Guinan will return as Stewart invited Goldberg to join. Maybe next season will finally give us the one answer we've been dying to know for nearly 31 years...whatever happened to Dr. Pulaski? ?
I have a lot if the same sentiments that you have all shared. I'm not really sure what my expectations were going into it, but I can say that overall I was satisfied. I too was confused as to the amount of emotion several off these characters felt for each other in so short a time. Some things here and there seemed a little too forced.
It'll be curious to see what the arc next season will be. It sounds like Guinan will return as Stewart invited Goldberg to join. Maybe next season will finally give us the one answer we've been dying to know for nearly 31 years...whatever happened to Dr. Pulaski? ?
Ubik
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Springer, 'dI be really curious to hear what you make of Discovery. Please keep us updated and post your thoughts as you watch. I think I hated the opening episodes of Disco and then really warmed to it as it went along. I was a bit put off by the fact that they felt they had to open Disco with loads of action and 'spolsions to appease the audience. When it chilled out a bit, it got a a LOT better. And, Tilly, I really grew to love Tilly as a character.
I think you may have gone easier on Picard than me, I just struggled with the overall arc being so disjointed. I guess this is a warning to us all that going back to beloved characters does not guarantee quality.
Blake00
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Well good becuase that's not what I was saying.
Riker & Troy having trauma was not wrong on its own. I was making the point that why is EVERY single friggin person in this show messed up and traumatized.Huh? I know that.. So why are you saying that? I never said he was the sole writer lol. The ONLY time I mention Kurtzman is when I was talking about the video I posted which presumably you didn't bother to watch hence why you've misunderstood my comment. Clearly they BOTH forgot inner light lol!
What?? Oh man you're way off on that one. 100% disagree. If he was simply living someone else's memories he would not have acted as himself, remembered the Enterprise & his former life and tried to escape during his 'life' there. Once again I'm guessing you did NOT watch the video I linked to in that statement as it shows footage where even Picard disagrees with you haha. He says (in another episode roughly a season later after Inner light) "I lived a lifetime on that planet. I had a wife and children, and a grandchild... and it was ABSOLUTELY REAL to me." Here is again for you to not watch haha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaj_ypAbN_Q
Of course there are so many episodes in classic Trek that are so bad haha, no argument there. However they were usually surrounded by a lot of good episodes and overall a much better show.
Picard being only 10 episodes long means their stinkers need to be really few and far between and sadly that's not been the case IMO. 3 episodes I thought were garbage, 4 were so so leaving 3 that were pretty good. Hopefully season 2 will be a vast improvement much like s2 Disco was. You and I clearly have very different tastes as I loved DS9.. yeah sure it wasn't B5 but it was bloody good and is my favourite classic Trek show despite me starting as a kid with TNG & TOS in the late 80s long before DS9 came along.
Anyway.. time for my final Episode 10 rant.. which you'll probably 'love' even more haha.
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Springer
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Hey! I wasn't having a go, just querying a few of your points, just as you have queried mine
Were Riker and Troi really 'messed up'? It seemed to me they were still fully functional adults who had learned to manage their grief and deal with it, which is pretty much what Roddenberry said 24th century humans were able to do. Most humans do have to go through trauma at some point in their lives.
But I do feel this is being over-egged. Of the cast, was anyone other than Raffi really 'messed up'? I guess Rios had his issues that he had to confront but he wasn't that messed up. Maybe Seven too but she's been having issues ever since Voyager, in terms of reintegrating into humanity.
No sorry, I didn't watch the video. My apologies if I misunderstand you. It's just I see so much hate for Discovery and Picard on the Internet and it's all aimed at Kurtzman, even when it's not his fault, like he's the devil incarnate or something, and it seems like a lazy criticism. Again, my apologies for misinterpreting.
Well, it is a while since I last watched The Inner Light – I don't actually like the episode – but wasn't the plot that the alien probe transmitted the memories into Picard's brain so he could experience them? It might have felt like he was living them, but it was somebody else's life, who had really existed, that he was re-living, wasn't it?
We're pretty much on the same lines here! I rated Picard as 2 episodes I thought were bad (episodes 5 and 9), 3 were okay and 5 I thought were good. None of the episodes were as good as the best episodes of TOS, TNG or DS9. The ending was okay. I'd like to see less swearing - I think you should be able to watch Star Trek with children, without having to worry about F-bombs being dropped left, right and centre.
And I agree with everything you said about Data's second death, although I did enjoy seeing Data again and his conversation with Picard.
Overall I was a little bit disappointed in Picard, it didn't quite feel like the prestige TV it was aiming to be. That in itself raises a question: will a Trek series ever consistently reach the level of writing that you might associate with Mad Men or GoT or Breaking Bad? But, I just try and keep my expectations tempered so I don't get overly disappointed. Everything is black or white these days, people either think something is absolutely terrible or absolutely amazing and there's no room for anything in between, when in fact most things are found in between those two extremes. It just raises my hackles and causes me to speak out against it as it's really polarising.
And I do like DS9 well enough. I like all Trek! (Well, not the JJ Abrams movies, but everything else I like).
Anyway, season 3 of Discovery starts soon, shall we just make this the general Star Trek thread?
Well good becuase that's not what I was saying.
Were Riker and Troi really 'messed up'? It seemed to me they were still fully functional adults who had learned to manage their grief and deal with it, which is pretty much what Roddenberry said 24th century humans were able to do. Most humans do have to go through trauma at some point in their lives.
But I do feel this is being over-egged. Of the cast, was anyone other than Raffi really 'messed up'? I guess Rios had his issues that he had to confront but he wasn't that messed up. Maybe Seven too but she's been having issues ever since Voyager, in terms of reintegrating into humanity.
No sorry, I didn't watch the video. My apologies if I misunderstand you. It's just I see so much hate for Discovery and Picard on the Internet and it's all aimed at Kurtzman, even when it's not his fault, like he's the devil incarnate or something, and it seems like a lazy criticism. Again, my apologies for misinterpreting.
Well, it is a while since I last watched The Inner Light – I don't actually like the episode – but wasn't the plot that the alien probe transmitted the memories into Picard's brain so he could experience them? It might have felt like he was living them, but it was somebody else's life, who had really existed, that he was re-living, wasn't it?
3 episodes I thought were garbage, 4 were so so leaving 3 that were pretty good. Hopefully season 2 will be a vast improvement much like s2 Disco was. You and I clearly have very different tastes as I loved DS9.. yeah sure it wasn't B5 but it was bloody good and is my favourite classic Trek show despite me starting as a kid with TNG & TOS in the late 80s long before DS9 came along.
Anyway.. time for my final Episode 10 rant.. which you'll probably 'love' even more haha.
We're pretty much on the same lines here! I rated Picard as 2 episodes I thought were bad (episodes 5 and 9), 3 were okay and 5 I thought were good. None of the episodes were as good as the best episodes of TOS, TNG or DS9. The ending was okay. I'd like to see less swearing - I think you should be able to watch Star Trek with children, without having to worry about F-bombs being dropped left, right and centre.
And I agree with everything you said about Data's second death, although I did enjoy seeing Data again and his conversation with Picard.
Overall I was a little bit disappointed in Picard, it didn't quite feel like the prestige TV it was aiming to be. That in itself raises a question: will a Trek series ever consistently reach the level of writing that you might associate with Mad Men or GoT or Breaking Bad? But, I just try and keep my expectations tempered so I don't get overly disappointed. Everything is black or white these days, people either think something is absolutely terrible or absolutely amazing and there's no room for anything in between, when in fact most things are found in between those two extremes. It just raises my hackles and causes me to speak out against it as it's really polarising.
And I do like DS9 well enough. I like all Trek! (Well, not the JJ Abrams movies, but everything else I like).
Anyway, season 3 of Discovery starts soon, shall we just make this the general Star Trek thread?
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Ubik
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Why not. I am totally on board for S3 of Disco, having quite enjoyed S2.
I did recently watch 'What you leave behind' and it made me nostalgic for DS9. Whilst the show took a few seasons to really find its feet, I think it's up there with the best Trek. I like that it took chances, and always felt the comparisons to B5, and vice-versa were unfair.
Probably one of the strongest casts too. And, I could watch Nana Visitor all day. Very easy on the eye.
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Sinclair
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I'm all for making this an all Trek thread. I'm looking forward to the next season of Discovery although I may cancel my membership and subscribe once it's closer to the season's end.
I think the main thing that drew me more to Discovery was when Pike was introduced. Ever since I first saw The Cage years ago I've always wanted to see and know more about him and his Enterprise. It sounds like the series featuring him is a go for CBS. Hopefully they can get Mount, Peck and Romijn all signed. Assuming they keep Boyce as the doctor it'll be interesting to see who they cast in his role.
I think the main thing that drew me more to Discovery was when Pike was introduced. Ever since I first saw The Cage years ago I've always wanted to see and know more about him and his Enterprise. It sounds like the series featuring him is a go for CBS. Hopefully they can get Mount, Peck and Romijn all signed. Assuming they keep Boyce as the doctor it'll be interesting to see who they cast in his role.
Blake00
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Yeah I'm with you guys on that! I thought Discovery season 1 was okay but there were many things that annoyed me. Season 2 was a huge improvement for me however that was mainly due to the additional cast members playing Pike, Spock and Number One on the enterprise, there was still some silly stuff (lazy writing plot hole things as usual) that annoyed me though. Season 3 loses those great additions so I fear it'll disappoint me again lol. My love of the Disco season 2 Enterprise content of course also leaves me super excited for Star Trek Strange New Worlds (aka the Star Trek Pike show fans demanded heh) as they've said it will be a more traditional episodic Star Trek adventure show on the Enterprise! So hopefully they can't screw that up too much... although there's some rumour (possibly BS) out there that it's also going to have a young bisexual Kirk running about in the show so read into that what you will lol!!
Back to good old Picard.. I've decided I'm not going to call it that anymore now. To me this show shall now be known as 'Patrick Stewart Goes To Space' (PSGTS for short) as there really isn't much Star Trek or Picard in it lol!!! I've been waiting for the 'Critical Drinker' to review PSGTS as I've become an fan of his after seeing his Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker reviews on those cluster****s. Sure enough in the video below you can see he hates it and he talks about Picard himself being rather useless just like I talked about in my episode reviews earlier in this thread. Yes I know hating on stuff is kind of his gimmick haha but he makes good points that match a lot of my previously posted thoughts.
This is Patrick Stewart Goes To Space!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsmqcLv8Q-4
And this is Star Trek Picard baby!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKZQnkY2fXk
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Back to good old Picard.. I've decided I'm not going to call it that anymore now. To me this show shall now be known as 'Patrick Stewart Goes To Space' (PSGTS for short) as there really isn't much Star Trek or Picard in it lol!!! I've been waiting for the 'Critical Drinker' to review PSGTS as I've become an fan of his after seeing his Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker reviews on those cluster****s. Sure enough in the video below you can see he hates it and he talks about Picard himself being rather useless just like I talked about in my episode reviews earlier in this thread. Yes I know hating on stuff is kind of his gimmick haha but he makes good points that match a lot of my previously posted thoughts.
This is Patrick Stewart Goes To Space!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsmqcLv8Q-4
And this is Star Trek Picard baby!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKZQnkY2fXk
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Looney
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Since this is the most recent Trek discussion I am posting this question...
What is the biggest fan discussion board for Trek?* I have made posts in the B5 Trading card thread, but now I am looking for some Trek Trading card info.* So does anyone know the best source to ask Trek fans that info?
Your Humble Looney.....
What is the biggest fan discussion board for Trek?* I have made posts in the B5 Trading card thread, but now I am looking for some Trek Trading card info.* So does anyone know the best source to ask Trek fans that info?
Your Humble Looney.....
