The Little Things

[KoshFan]

A tenuous connection that I noticed yesterday:

In "And the Sky Full of Stars," Sinclair tells Mitchell that "I tried to warn you. You didn't listen. You never listen."

At the end of Babylon Squared, the older Sinclair tells Delenn "I tried to warn them. But it all happened just the way I remembered it."

Now I'm trying to think of any other warnings by Sinclair that go unheeded. There are lots of unheeded warnings in the show just in general, but are there any others from Sinclair?

 

[B5_Obsessed]

"Zathras warn, but nobody listen to Zathras."

 

[The_Hobbit]

I've just finished reading the telepath trilogy. According to it, Bester can't open his left hand (after a certain incident).
I'll have to keep my eye out for that the next time I watch the Bester episodes. I've checked a few scenes, and his left hand is indeed balled to a fist in those. I'd never noticed it before...

The only problem is - how does he take off and put on his gloves (wich he does in the book, I don't know about the series.)

 

[Mindwalker]

I think he would pull the gloves off just like everyone else...

 

[The_Hobbit]

But how does he put them back on, if he can't unclench his fist?

 

[vacantlook]

Maybe he can use his other hand to pull his fingers out of the clinched fist momentarily (being able to hold it open as long as he applies constant pressure), but can't independently open his clinched fist on its own.

 

[The_Hobbit]

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No! He took it all in his fist and he squeezed until it went away.
His fist had never opened again. Never.

Anyway, it's not really inportant.

I think though that the clenched fist an interesting touch. I wonder if it was originally Walter Koenigs idea or if JMS already had something in mind...

Just realized that my member # is 2115 - the year they found out about telepaths. Wonder what the meaning is of that ...

 

[Lyta]

I think though that the clenched fist an interesting touch. I wonder if it was originally Walter Koenigs idea or if JMS already had something in mind...

According to JMS, it was Walter's idea:

May.23.1997
Thanks. As for Walter...he made the decision to play Bester with a deformed or useless hand, which he's compensating for as a teep.

 

[B5_Obsessed]

You know those actors, they all want to be Richard III.

There is a scene in Season 5, when Byron's teeps have locked thewmselves in Brown Sector. Bester comes to the door and, in order to make a more direct connection with Byron, he takes off one glove with his good hand, and takes off the other glove with his teeth.

 

[The_Hobbit]

Thanx - I'll have to go check that one .

I rewatched fifth season 'The corps is mother, the corps is father'. When Bester is in his quarters his right glove is lying on the table whereas his left one is on his hand.

 

[jnk5y]

B5_0bsessed, are you sure he takes off both gloves in the scen you mention? based on my memory it was only one glove and that was his good hand which he took off with his teeth. I wish i had the eps with me.

 

[Defectivehead]

Yep, he only took off the glove with teeth.

One thought that I had is that the other hand doesn't have a glove, rather a specially shaped mitten! That way he could pull it on over his fist and it would be shaped over his fingers to look like fingers of a glove.

Plus I find that this logic jump in my head allows me to have another short logic jump to see Bester with pink knitted mittens with a string connecting them throught the sleaves of his PsyCop Jacket. And that's a very cute image.

But that might just be me.

Defectivehead

 

[B5_Obsessed]

My apologies. I've tried hard to forget Season 5.
There is no logical reason why he would take the glove off his useless hand is there? At least I got the important part right.

 

[KoshFan]

I was just thinking about G'Kar's two escorts in "Points of Departure," the ones who turn around and sacrifice themselves so that he can get away.

Just think -- if they hadn't bought him time, G'Kar might not have made it out. And imagine what level of catastrophe that would have been for our heroes.

And on Bester's hand -- it does finally unclench when he dies.

 

[The_Hobbit]

G'Kar might not have made it out. And imagine what level of catastrophe that would have been for our heroes.

And for us!

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And on Bester's hand -- it does finally unclench when he dies.

True, and I actually like that end for Bester. I think his fist unclenches just before he dies, after seeing the statues etc. In a way, he finally is free, and then he passes away...

 

[Maagic]

G'Kar might not have made it out. And imagine what level of catastrophe that would have been for our heroes.

And for us!

And on Bester's hand -- it does finally unclench when he dies.

True, and I actually like that end for Bester. I think his fist unclenches just before he dies, after seeing the statues etc. In a way, he finally is free, and then he passes away...

Thanks. Now I don't have to read the books

 

[jnk5y]

Did they say "die"? What they meant to say "IF" he died they are pretty sure his hand would relax. I'm glad i could clear that up. Some people need to be a bit more clear when they write things on this board. Others should be a lot less clear and use spoiler spaces.

 

[The_Hobbit]

Sorry!

I tried to be vague and put a spoiler space the first times I metioned something from the book, but I wasn't cautious enough last night when I posted. (I edited it so nobody else reads it unintentionally.)

 

[vacantlook]

One thing that just came to my mind is Vir's wave. We see him do it three times, twice to Morden -- and the last time, to Babylon 5 as a whole as he leaves it shortly before the station's destroyed. I wonder what the symbolism of that is...

I just got done watching a few more episodes of season three in my progression through my DVDs of the season and saw that Vir gives that same little finger wave to Lyndasty when Londo first introduces him to her in "Sic Transit Vir."

 

[Zathras]

Sorry to exhume a dead thread, but I've been rewatching my videos and came across something in Season 4's "The Exercise Of Vital Powers." This is the episode where Garibaldi comes to Mars to meet William Edgars. At the beginning of the show he says something like, "Mars...three times before this place tried to kill me, and I swore I wouldn't give it another chance." At the end of the show, he says to himself, "Mars. I can't believe I'm back on Mars. I must be out of my mind."

Of course we find out later that he really was out of his mind. What else would have made him go back there except not being in control of his own actions. I thought the cryptic foreshadowing was neat.