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[A_Ranger]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon Healy:
<font color=yellow> and please dont compare jms with shakespeare , there really is no comparison jms is good but not that good .. </font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Why not? Both are fine writers. Do you have any idea what it took on JMS part to get B5 made? It almost didn't happen. He had to fight tooth and tail to keep it. Do you have any idea how much work it would be to do something that hasn't been done in tv before? Creating a 5 year show that has a story arc, is basically a novel for tv. Do you have any idea what it takes to write about 90 episdoes all by yourself, within a 5 year period? He went through hell to craft something original, so why isn't he deserving of greatness like Shakespeare?

Sure Shakespeare spun fine language, but the stories he stole from an obscure Greek playwright. So why is Shakespeare so much more worthy of greatness than JMS?

Bottom line is, this is a place for B5 fans to discuss B5. You obviously aren't here to discuss anything, but rather to attack people and be rude. If you think we're all wasting our time, then why are you here? Leave if you dont' want to discuss anything with us.

 

[Quagmire]

People have we learned nothing by now. Calling someone on being a moron may be tempting but unless you post to warn a newbie it is pointless.

As always, don't feed the trolls.

 

[jnk5y]

He did do one good thing... I've never seen so many posts in one day. Lately our posts had been dying off. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

 

[superbob]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Doctor Gonzo:
<font color=yellow>People have we learned nothing by now. Calling someone on being a moron may be tempting but unless you post to warn a newbie it is pointless.

It's true! Don't encourage him. I get annoyed from time to time but the fact of the matter remains if you don't want to take part then ignore it and move on.
Individuality is part of being human. We all have the right to express what we feel and if these feelings happen to conflict with someone else's , then so be it. Thats what it means to be part of a society. We are not Hive minded like bee's!
Personally I enjoy discussing shakespeares works. Trying to interpret what he meant when he wrote the play's and poems. For all we know he's sitting somewhere giggling his ss off at us "literary enthusiasts" trying to make something out of nothing. Therin lies the beauty of a discussion board. JMS and Shakespeare are as different from each other as chalk is from cheese. The commen link between them, however, is the ability to captivate the human mind. Some people may want to explore the possibilities with others. Some may like to mull it over in their own minds and some may want to watch it, enjoy it and move on! I think it's fair to say that one must respect the others point of view.

As always, don't feed the trolls.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

 

[2aMageing]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon Healy:
<font color=yellow>hip hip hooray kribu at last

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but thank you kribu for some more calmed down discussion rather than aggresive chants from the others like recoil and lennier .</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

Two points to make, then I am never looking at another thread written by this INDIVIDUAL ever again.
Simon, you accuse Recoil and Lennier (of all people!?!? The day Lennier comences in "aggressive chants", you can box me up and bury me, cept for a few heated moments in NC17, lol)
of "aggressive chants", but prior to that you said this, and I quote "Listen you moron". Look here Mr. Snow White, you come to this board, present almost exclusively NEGATIVE input, and you consider yourself a true member of this board?
Such actions are child like and only make you look like a JERK. My one name call for this year.......well used I think.

Point two: if you think discussing B5 and LoTR is such a waste, please tell the panel, Why Are You Here?

Ok, given this thread and it's trouble making creator more time then either deserves. You think the people here are "bad people", then my advice to you is to go find someplace where you care enough about the subjects to post some Positive discussion.

How old are you anyway? 7, 8?? You write poor english, you have weak reasons (if any) to back up your statements, and you seem to not be able to show ANY respect for those you come here and insult. (and yes my common sense challenged friend, you insult people by saying they are fools who care about a dream, or a dead series, or an unborn series, or even those who care about anything fictitios at all .... you are the one who has trouble understanding reality, sir, if you think coming to a B5 bulliten board just to say "B5 is dead" is anything but arrogent and RUDE, dude....

I'm 2aMageing, Simon, and your 15 minutes are up.

 

[superbob]

Uh, Solaris crucufied me about my English, do I get to stay?/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

 

[gkarfan]

Simon, will you ever learn? It's the way you say things that annoys people, not what you are saying.

I thought that people from the UK went to such great schools, & that we Americans were the lousy spellers from bad schools. I'm just surprised to come across someone from the UK with poor writing-skills.

Tammy

 

[Recoil]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by gkarfan:
<font color=yellow>Simon, will you ever learn? It's the way you say things that annoys people, not what you are saying.

I thought that people from the UK went to such great schools, & that we Americans were the lousy spellers from bad schools. I'm just surprised to come across someone from the UK with poor writing-skills.

Tammy</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
It's not so much the spelling that is bothersome, it's the lack of capitalization.

FYI - The SHIFT key is the one just to the left of the "Z" key, or, for your convenience, there is even a second one located to the right of the "? and slash" key. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

 

[A_Ranger]

Superbob, compared to Simon's English, you're Shakespeare

 

[Nukemall]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by gkarfan:
<font color=yellow>I thought that people from the UK went to such great schools, & that we Americans were the lousy spellers from bad schools. I'm just surprised to come across someone from the UK with poor writing-skills.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Nah, our schools ain't that great. It's just that for starters, some words in your dictionary are spelled wrong /ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif. And don't mind our Mr Healy - I'm sure his intentions are in the right place, it just seems that he is a bit of a drama queen.

 

[superbob]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by A_Ranger:
<font color=yellow>Superbob, compared to Simon's English, you're Shakespeare</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

Uh, I think I've just been complimented /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

 

[channe]

I'm Shakespeare.

 

[hypatia]

Channe's on too many pain killers. /ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif

Sorry, I could not resist. In reality, I do hope you are feeling better. Hope the chiropractor is helping. If there is one thing about back injuries it is this: you feel it whenever you move. That's bad. /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Take care of yourself.

 

[jnk5y]

I'm Batman

 

[A_Ranger]

I'm Spartacus!

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

It may be negative input 2aMageing,
But there are not many positive things I have heard about Babylon 5 ever since crusade was cancelled. I mentioned recoil and lennier simply because they weren’t being nasty but they were being sarcastic. I do not take b5 as a waste of time I think it was great space taker so to speak. I just regard lotr a waste of space, I thought some of the acting was awful and the dialogue was bad. To the person who said jms was comparable with Shakespeare should be floundered, what you forget to mention is that jms has token “sources from other works" and put them in b5. There is nothing original anymore . I do not believe the posters here are "bad" as such, I just noticed a negative reaction to that first post on this thread. And its the fact that I write poor English its just that I cant be bothered spellchecking my post and punctuating it right but you will see that I have this time . You state that I have weak reasons to back up my comments.... please tell me what weak reasons are they ?? All my posts have been based on facts... b5: lotr wasn`t made into a series that was what my post was about. and the bit about jms in that very same post was just a idea I wasn’t saying it was right just a theory . If I have not shown respect to anyone i`m sorry, but you must remember that how many people have shown respect to me? i.e. Sarcasm and cheek. I do not insult anyone by liking an unborn or dead series I love b5 I watch it every day! I have all the videos to the great series. I am not arrogant I sometimes could be a bit rude but only if I am provoked

I'm Simon, 2aMageing, and your 15 minutes are up.

 

[Kribu]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon Healy:
<font color=yellow>To the person who said jms was comparable with shakespeare should be floundered , what you forget to mention is that jms has tooken "sources from other works" and put them in b5 . there is nothing original anymore . </font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Of course, you do need to remember that Shakespeare stole (borrowed/took) quite blatantly from other writers, both from those before his time and his contemporaries. I believe this was almost standard practice those days. /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif I'm not saying he didn't do a great job with it, as he did, but he was hardly completely original.

 

[Nukemall]

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon Healy:
<font color=yellow> And its the fact that I write poor English its just that I cant be bothered spellchecking my post and punctuating it right but you will see that I have this time.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
It does help to at least punctuate and break up large bodies of text so your comments are more readable. I actually looked at your first post but couldn't be bothered to read it for that reason. Otherwise, you're pretty much entitled to you own informed opinion.

 

[superbob]

funnily enough I was watching the sci fi channel when I was on holiday and it was one of those little filler snippets they have on before shows. I can't remember what the title was but it had to do with human beings not having a single original idea. If you think about it all the ideas we have are based on information that is passed on from generation to generation. Granted there may be new approaches and spins but the basic precepts stay the same.
So to say that JMS copied Shakespeare is alittle redundant. Shakespear used ideas from a greek playwrite , I forgot his nme. He in turn used someone elses's ideas. It's not copying but more the sharing if information.

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

In reply...

<font color=yellow>1. Comparing with Shakespeare.</font color=yellow>

I know preciously little of Shakespeare. Having read two of his plays and numerous of his sonnets, I consider his taste lacking, his style not interesting. That said, I understand why some like his works.

I like the works of Arthur Clarke, Isaac Asimov and Joe Straczinsky. The television show to which this forum is dedicated... addressed the same topics as Shakespeare. It also addressed topics which Shakespeare blissfully ignored, or never dared to address.

In places where Shakespeare constructed cheap and unbelievable plots to attract more audience, Straczinsky adhered to standards which I greatly respect. My favourite works of science fiction addressed a much wider variety of topics, in much more believable manner.

Babylon 5 addressed them in ways which interest me, while the plays and sonnets of Shakespeare left me bored and unmoved. Therefore tell me, why should I not consider Delenn, Londo, Vir or Sinclair vastly more lifelike than any characters created by Shakespeare?

<font color=yellow>2. Argumentum ad hominem.</font color=yellow>

When someone, no matter their actual claims, forms his words to offend the people who he expects to reply... then is there anything surprising when a reply is somewhat sarcastic, and suggests forming words in different manner?

When the reply to this somewhat sarcastic reply (or other similar ones) starts in ways seen above, and shows no deviation from the original course, should one expect anything less than some prejudice against the person involved?

<font color=yellow>3. Regarding facts...</font color=yellow>

a) Please present proof that Rangers got low ratings due to its own flaws. Please indicate similar flaws in all other movies which suffered a similar defeat to that football game.

b) Please present proof that the producers, cast and crew of Rangers deliberately caused the movie to fail. At the very least, this should include comments from people who were actually involved.

c) Please explain why a studio would support a movie which is being designed for failiure. Why would the people involved like it? Why would they explain their involvement in such a "designed failiure" in rather enthusiastic terms?

d) Please explain how actors would be offended by interest in the stories they created, and the roles/characters they played, especially if these were excellent.

e) Please explain why liking any excellent work of fiction (including but not limited to television shows) makes people sad and necessitates them getting another life when they already have one life?

f) In doing so, please remember that this forum is not dedicated to Rangers, but B5 in general. Comments presented here about Rangers should be specified as addressing Rangers. Otherwise they are likely to be interepreted as addressing B5 in general.

g) Please explain why somebody called JMS plans to write another story in the world of B5? Why a company called Warner is planning to release said show on DVD? Surely these are indicators of interest.