Dilgar genocide

[Gary Baldy]

Given that the impending nova of the Dilgar system was known to other sentients, wasn't it genocidal to confine the Dilgar to their home system? Isn't that even worse that what the Dilgar did?

I demand the leaders of the League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those of the EA to be tried for crimes against sentients!

 

[Fas]

I demand the leaders of the League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those of the EA to be tried for crimes against sentients!

Such things don´t happen to the winners of war, im afraid. But who said they were confined, anyways? Maybe they didn´t have any more planets.

 

[Enlightened_GKar]

Given that the impending nova of the Dilgar system was known to other sentients, wasn't it genocidal to confine the Dilgar to their home system? Isn't that even worse that what the Dilgar did?

First off, death is death. One death cannot be placed "better" than another.
You do not know the details to the destruction of the Dilgar homeworld. Perhaps the explosion of their sun was due to "tampering" like in "Deconstruction of Falling Stars". Ask me, the Vorlons would jump at the chance to take the Dilgar out with a quick, crippiling blow before they became servants of the Shadows, which is where the Dilgar were headed.
Perhaps God Himself reigned judgement on the Dilgar - we just do not know the details.

I demand the leaders of the League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those of the EA to be tried for crimes against sentients!

Sure, just find a Dilgar lawyer, and a Dilgar jury. Then, we can go to a Dilgar courtroom, and face the Dilgar judge.
It is both terrifying and reassuring that victors get to write the history books.

 

[Gary Baldy]

You do not know the details to the destruction of the Dilgar homeworld.

Ah, but we do. In Deathwalker, Sinclair was saying to Jha'dur that the Dilgar's invasion and war crimes in other worlds "went beyond self-preservation". Thus, it is fair to say that the Dilgar knew that they only had years or decades to go before their system goes ka-boom. And since it was Sinclair making this observation, other species knew too.

Sure, just find a Dilgar lawyer, and a Dilgar jury. Then, we can go to a Dilgar courtroom, and face the Dilgar judge.

At Nürnberg, the leaders of Nazi Germany were tried and sentences were handed down for genocide and other war crimes. Perhaps all Germans should have been tried and executed.

 

[Enlightened_GKar]

Ah, but we do. In Deathwalker, Sinclair was saying to Jha'dur that the Dilgar's invasion and war crimes in other worlds "went beyond self-preservation". Thus, it is fair to say that the Dilgar knew that they only had years or decades to go before their system goes ka-boom. And since it was Sinclair making this observation, other species knew too.

When I said you do not know the details, I meant that you do not know if the EA or the Non-Aligned Worlds entrapped the Dilgar.
If you want off your world, fine, there are ways to do it without genocide. Even the Drakh knew the benefit of finding a new world quietly instead of causing a war.

At Nürnberg, the leaders of Nazi Germany were tried and sentences were handed down for genocide and other war crimes. Perhaps all Germans should have been tried and executed.

You are missing the point. The point is there are no Dilgar. If you are looking for justice, then you are in a hopeless cause, because all justice went out the window, not only with the Dilgar's holocaust on other races, but when they all died.
They are dead, and instead of fighting on, or going out with grace they attempted to take the whole universe with them when they left.
Can you truthfully think of anyone, even justice itself, that is willing to put themselves on the line for a dead world?

 

[vacantlook]

Slightly off topic:

I really loved the way the Dilgar looked in terms of being an alien; I think the contacts used were awesome and really gave Deathwalker a freaky, almost psychotic look.

 

[Galahad]

If you want off your world, fine, there are ways to do it without genocide. Even the Drakh knew the benefit of finding a new world quietly instead of causing a war.

Perhaps the Shadows were using the Dilgar as pawns in the opening move of the forthcoming Shadow War. Perhaps, knowng the race as they did, tampered with their sun to give them a limited amount of time to live minus expansion. and so, the Dilgar under threat and in need of a new home, went out on the prowl full force, looking only to the weaker races of the League as prey.

In a two-faced manner, they also probably had a hand in J'hadur's anti-agapic experiments. If Deathwalkers prediction had been right, the conflict that would have arisen, would serve the Shadow philosophy perfectly.

 

[FlipperPA]

The thing I love about Jha'Dur and the Dilgar in the storyline is that it shows the shadows were working behind the scenes even with the Minbari, who were basically the Vorlons #1 bitches.

Jha'dur being sheltered by the Windswords... "they are the most militant of our clans"... "they came to us with weapons, terrible weapons"... wow, those Shadows really love chaos.

Was there a shadow present with Jha'dur is still the big question. The Vorlon ship fires twice when destroying Jha'dur's ship, once firing at "empty" space. We never see a Vorlon ship miss its target in the rest of the series, including Interludes and Examinations!

-Tim

 

[Fas]

Was there a shadow present with Jha'dur is still the big question. The Vorlon ship fires twice when destroying Jha'dur's ship, once firing at "empty" space. We never see a Vorlon ship miss its target in the rest of the series, including Interludes and Examinations!

The Vorlons just wanted to appear like they had worse targeting systems than they really had

 

[KoshFan]

If the Vorlon ship fired because of a Shadow ship, it must have been a warning shot, because don't you think a destroyed Shadow ship would cease to be concealed?

 

[Fas]

But Shadow ships are not concealed, thats just the jump into or out of hyperspace, as has been discussed in another thread

 

[vacantlook]

It couldn't have been Vorlons taking a shot at a Shadow vessel (even beyond the discussion of whether or not Shadows cloak or if the ripple is just them jumping to and from hyperspace). At the point of the episode "Deathwalker," the Vorlons hadn't taken the gloves off their people; they weren't taking on Shadow targets directly. The rules of the conduct between the Vorlons and Shadows are still more or less in place. Had the Vorlons shot at a Shadow vessel, it would have voided those rules just like it did when they got involved in "Interludes and Examinations."

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Given that the impending nova of the Dilgar system was known to other sentients, wasn't it genocidal to confine the Dilgar to their home system? Isn't that even worse that what the Dilgar did?

I demand the leaders of the League of Non-Aligned Worlds and those of the EA to be tried for crimes against sentients!

How do we know that the other sentients knew that the dilgar sun was going to explode? For all we know the dilgar were working on a sun killer that misfired on them.

 

[FlipperPA]

It could have been a shot at a Shadow "mignon"... its possible one of the soldiers of darkness could have been escorting the ship. We don't know if they can survive in the vacuum of space. From "The Long Dark", we know they're invisible until fired upon, and in "The Long Dark", after the invisible creature is killed, there's no carcass. So there's a precedent.

Just a thought.

 

[GeoKuutio]

Wait.. I don't understand... Firstly, I don't know very much about Dilgars... But.. Did they start a war WITHOUT being provoced to it? I mean... They just came with their fleet and started shooting at everything? Because their Sun was about to explode? To me, that isn't very rational choice.. They could construct transport ships instead of warcruisers then.. and transport their folks to safety? By the way.. Where I could know something more about dilgars in generally?

 

[Nancy]

Where I could know something more about dilgars in generally?

In the episode Deathwalker.