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Star Wars Trailer, link here!
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vacantlook
Super Moderator
I don't see any foaming from you either, dear hyp.
Star Wars is about cheese; Vader's marching into the Tantive in ANH is totally cheesy but people liked cheese like that then and ignore it that it's cheesy now.
That my friend is a VERY subjective statement.
I still think the first time ol' Darth walks in (SW:ANH) with that classic John Williams music is rockin' awesome!
vacantlook
Super Moderator
One, I don't know you, so we are by and far not friends.
Two, if it is subjective then so was the statement of Vader's appearance in the trailer also subjective, and as such then the two comments are on the same playing field and so is no conflict. The genre that Star Wars is is of the old matinee serials, which is contains in large quantity the quality of cheesiness. People want to forget this, but it's a part of what the movies are.
vacantlook
Super Moderator
He stomps in all full of pomp with obviousness that he's the villain, stops and stares, and then stomps off. It's a purposefully overblown, evil villain cackling type of entrance. Fun cheese, but cheese nonetheless.
Jade Jaguar
Regular
I thought Vader looked like the front end of a Corvette, on a human body. Star Wars was obviously intended to be a bit cheesey, since it was a take off on the old movie serials of the 30's, 40's and 50's. While I, too, would like for Lucas to make available the original release versions of SW, and doubtless he makes some marketing decisions based on profit potential, I don't think his real motivation is monetary. I think he believes in what he does, artistically, and as a craftsman. Even if I do fault him for making what I consider, in the prequels especially, to be films that are a bit too childish, and obvious.
I agree, which is why I said
I still think the first time ol' Darth walks in (SW:ANH) with that classic John Williams music is rockin' awesome!
It wasn't meant in a "matter of fact" context. I was just making clear that any time you/me/anyone are making a statement about taste, it will ALWAYS be subjective.
admiraldave
Regular
My parents bought the DVD set, and I was watching the documentaries, and they practically present Lucas as a bona fide control freak with next to no sense of humour.
I'll be first to admit that Lucas is a genius with visuals. But as a writer, or as an actor-friendly director, he's not very good.
I think you're wrong. Some people, myself included, see the original trilogy as a work of art, and Lucas's reworking is akin to scribbling a mustache on the Mona Lisa.
And I'll laugh in the face of anyone that describes AOTC as a "work of art". That was a pathetic movie, and I have very low expectations for Episode 3, because the problems in AOTC a present in progressively smaller quantities in his earlier movies.
I attribute Lucas's Soviet-Revisionism-esque approach to the original trilogy to him being a control freak, not greedy.
I agree. You are lucky if the sculptor doesn't have to change the ear for a character less than ten times.
To me they are mainly pretty effects, with maybe 15% story surrounded by bluescreen, which i think is a good one but not all that good so far. Until cooler (cooler to me) space battles and saber fights in the big screen come along, i'll continue to worship this guy.
darth_librarian
Regular
Trailer looks bling.
I think you will be getting your space battles and sabre duels next May dude!!
I think you will be getting your space battles and sabre duels next May dude!!
B5_Obsessed
Regular
So you've heard the supposedly verified rumor that Yoda farts in this movie? I suppose it will make him more real, but jeez.
vacantlook
Super Moderator
Like I actually believe a rumor about Yoda farting.
You prove my point for me. Putting goofy robot fights or changing the introduction of a main character so there is no character arc is not a matter of conforming to the original vision. On the seperate issue of the new trilogy(pidgen english was only in the new but not so for the character change) you can certainly show lightheartedness without poop jokes. People I know who saw the old versions about the same time as the new version/new tril noticed a different sense of humor, not every criticisim is based on wanting a return to childhood.
If you change a work of art it becomes a different work of art. If you put mutton chops and an Elvis wig on "David" it is not the people's fault if they still want to see the original.
Foaming at the mouth ehh? You completely missed the point. Isolation changing someone doesn't rely on fans foaming or not. Access to talent is not the issue, decades away from a normal life is bound to change you.
There is plenty to suggest Lucas is greedy even though I don't think that's why he changed the movies. It doesn't matter since I was simply pointing out that your previous suggestion that Lucas being rich made it impossible to be greedy was nonsense.
You can criticize something without foaming at the mouth. To suggest anything else is just silly.
B5_Obsessed
Regular
I don't know that Lucas is greedy. He certainly does want to make for money for Lucasfilm. Releasing the Special Edition on VHS was a sure fire way to raise ongoing capital for the new trilogy, making them the most expensive independent films ever made. So it's not really greed, just clever business sense. If he makes it, someone will buy it.... and then complain that Lucas tricked him.
As for Lucas changing the old films. It's a mixed bag. Some good, some bad. I was really surprised they didn't change Palpatine in Empire last time, but they finally got it now. Other things they changed really didn't need it. I felt the changes near the end of Empire really threw off the timing. I'm still curious to see the Special, Special, Special DVD Edition and will get around to it eventually.
Lucas doesn't seem humorless to me. He is picky as hell, though, and surrounded by yes men and women, especially Lord Ass-kisser in Chief, Rick McCallum. All you have to do is watch the special feature on the Phantom Menace and watch everyone waiting for Lucas to say something so they could jump in and agree.
The most ridiculous part was George's justification for casting Jake Lloyd over another kid. Lucas says the other kid is "too polished" (i.e. could act) and Jake is "more spontaneous" (i.e. can't remember or deliver his lines). The weird thing was that, of the two, Jake Lloyd was already in a major motion picture. So Lucas makes his statement and the minions proceed to throw the other kid under the bus. Very funny.
As for Lucas changing the old films. It's a mixed bag. Some good, some bad. I was really surprised they didn't change Palpatine in Empire last time, but they finally got it now. Other things they changed really didn't need it. I felt the changes near the end of Empire really threw off the timing. I'm still curious to see the Special, Special, Special DVD Edition and will get around to it eventually.
Lucas doesn't seem humorless to me. He is picky as hell, though, and surrounded by yes men and women, especially Lord Ass-kisser in Chief, Rick McCallum. All you have to do is watch the special feature on the Phantom Menace and watch everyone waiting for Lucas to say something so they could jump in and agree.
The most ridiculous part was George's justification for casting Jake Lloyd over another kid. Lucas says the other kid is "too polished" (i.e. could act) and Jake is "more spontaneous" (i.e. can't remember or deliver his lines). The weird thing was that, of the two, Jake Lloyd was already in a major motion picture. So Lucas makes his statement and the minions proceed to throw the other kid under the bus. Very funny.
GeoKuutio
Regular
Dear Fas
I applaud your opinion that this new trilogy kicks ass. It's good to know, that even somebody somewhere really accepted Jar Jar to be a part of the Star Wars universe. Me, myself and I however, did not.
I do not complain that "it's all to digital" nono. There's nothing wrong with CGI or that some actors are replaced by CGI characters etc. But as a whole movie, Phantom menace was boring. And no, I'm not saying that because I hate Lucas or some shit like that. I don't accept it as SW movie, it's cheesy as hell. Even cheesier than the coming of Darth Vader some centuries ago. I do however, like Attack of The Clones. I do like the digitally enhanced SW trilogy more than the original one.
My point? Altough these new movies don't deserve all that bashing that they've got, they do deserve some of it. And I do really hope that Episode 3 will be a kick-ass movie. CGI or not, if it's done with style and professionaly, I do care not about it. It doesn't irritate me. As long as it works. In Jar Jar's case, it didn't. It created totally unbelievable and stupid character.
Long live and prosper.
I applaud your opinion that this new trilogy kicks ass. It's good to know, that even somebody somewhere really accepted Jar Jar to be a part of the Star Wars universe. Me, myself and I however, did not.
I do not complain that "it's all to digital" nono. There's nothing wrong with CGI or that some actors are replaced by CGI characters etc. But as a whole movie, Phantom menace was boring. And no, I'm not saying that because I hate Lucas or some shit like that. I don't accept it as SW movie, it's cheesy as hell. Even cheesier than the coming of Darth Vader some centuries ago. I do however, like Attack of The Clones. I do like the digitally enhanced SW trilogy more than the original one.
My point? Altough these new movies don't deserve all that bashing that they've got, they do deserve some of it. And I do really hope that Episode 3 will be a kick-ass movie. CGI or not, if it's done with style and professionaly, I do care not about it. It doesn't irritate me. As long as it works. In Jar Jar's case, it didn't. It created totally unbelievable and stupid character.
Long live and prosper.
