Sindatur
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no one knows yet that he may indeed be a half cylon, so there hasn't been any airtime available to make a big deal of it.
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no one knows yet that he may indeed be a half cylon, so there hasn't been any airtime available to make a big deal of it.
Alluveal
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Well, Sharon didn't know she was a cylon when she and Chief first hooked up. After she started to suspect, they broke it off. Also, Sharon (in any form: Boomer/Athena) didn't know Chief was a cylon. I'm not sure any of them knew, except for #3 (Lucy Lawless) who saw their faces but was promptly boxed. I think the Chief/Boomer relationship has even more dimension now. I wonder if he'll attempt to talk to Athena (Helo's wife) about any of this, or if all 4 of them will keep it to themselves for as long as possible.
I seem to recall that Hera was never meant to be alone, that she would be one of the first--to lead "God's children." Another hybrid is an interesting premise indeed.
I also think that the series is redefining what a cylon IS at this point. What we know about the final 5 are limited. We know that when the topic was brought up, someone said "we don't talk about them." I think it was 6 talking to Baltar.
It's anyone's guess what happened. My theory is there was obviously a rift of some kind between them. They had a difference of opinions. The cylons we first came to know: 6, boomer, 3, the priest, leoben, etc. seemed to be the ones who initiated the war with the 12 colonies. They seemed bent on the destruction of the human race and interested in creating hybrids (i.e. pairing Sharon/Athena with Helo.)
The others were obviously of another mindset. Perhaps they broke off because of a clash of ideologies. Perhaps they rebelled and decided not to try and destroy mankind. They obviously have 4 sleeper cylons planted in positions of power: Tori as assistant to the pres, Tigh as second in command under Adama are the two. Chief and Anders not so much.
We also see that these cylons are different. One obviously has aged. Tigh was in the military for a long time, which can be confirmed by Adama. Adama knew Tigh as a younger man. Perhaps these cylons were more interested in becoming MORE human, creating cylons that aged, that had massive flaws. One thing that keeps popping into my head is that of free will. The original cylons (6, 8, etc) seem to work for the collective (for the most part.) Perhaps the others created themselves to have more free will, to BE more human.
I think the new cylons are protecting Earth or have more of a vested interest in Earth in some form or fashion. Will be interesting to see what Caprica 6 and Athena do when faced with the new models. They seem to be willing to follow their own will and hearts above that of the other collective.
Lots to ponder!
Alluveal
Regular
Interviews taken from sci-fi forums:
http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2269905
Interesting stuff....
http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2269905
Interesting stuff....
Ranger1
Regular
fucking unbelievable, that is by far the best episode of the season, and perhaps going all the way back to early season 2. if you can ignore the fact that Tigh arguably can't be a cylon, and there isn't any possible way Kara could have survived the crash without divine intervention (clearly possible i think we must now all agree), that was awesome. but whats up with them singing all the hendrix? and even if you didn't like tigh after NC (which everyone did of course) how can he not be your favourite character now,"my name is saul tigh, i am an officer in the colonial fleet, whatever else i am whatever else it means, thats the man i want to be, and if i die today; thats the man i'll be." FUCKING CLASSIC, how can anyone not be up for season 4 now?
admiraldave
Regular
Loved that "All Along the Watchtower" cover, that music was kick-ass. Until those last few minutes, the episode kinda languished. There were good performances, some nice dialog, but I found it kinda uninteresting. But damn, once that song kicked in ...
Overall, I was less impressed with the 3rd season, it wasn't as solid as the other two, but I still think 4th will be pretty awesome.
Overall, I was less impressed with the 3rd season, it wasn't as solid as the other two, but I still think 4th will be pretty awesome.
vacantlook
Super Moderator
From the interview Alluveal posted:
Think maybe the fifth Cylon is Starbuck's mother?
Think maybe the fifth Cylon is Starbuck's mother?
vacantlook
Super Moderator
Alluveal said:
Well, Moore's answering of one of the questions I quoted in my post above would seem to make it either her mother or not at all:
Does Kara Thrace's special destiny have anything to do with the identity of her father?
Of her father? No.
KoshFan
Regular
In the immortal words of Captain Reynolds: "Huh."
I love how this ep. kept going back to New Caprica, and then with Lee's speech even further back. Brings things nicely full circle. And Lee's speech -- it's brilliant writing, really: the writers chose to deal with their narrative problems (all that forgiving) by forcing it out into the open rather than trying to explain it away or hide it any longer.
Thing that I'm thinking about the hybrids? One of any species is no good. You've gotta have at least two or it's end of the line for you. And Galen and Cally's kid is a boy...
If they're picking up Hendrix, then that tells you something about where Earth's at chronologically. Of course, they did borrow a Phillip Glass piece for the scene in Kara's apartment back on Caprica and claimed that Kara's dad wrote it. Unless Kara's dad really was Phillip Glass, somehow transported in time and space? Hah! That's got to be it!
I love how this ep. kept going back to New Caprica, and then with Lee's speech even further back. Brings things nicely full circle. And Lee's speech -- it's brilliant writing, really: the writers chose to deal with their narrative problems (all that forgiving) by forcing it out into the open rather than trying to explain it away or hide it any longer.
Thing that I'm thinking about the hybrids? One of any species is no good. You've gotta have at least two or it's end of the line for you. And Galen and Cally's kid is a boy...
If they're picking up Hendrix, then that tells you something about where Earth's at chronologically. Of course, they did borrow a Phillip Glass piece for the scene in Kara's apartment back on Caprica and claimed that Kara's dad wrote it. Unless Kara's dad really was Phillip Glass, somehow transported in time and space? Hah! That's got to be it!
Recoil
Regular
Well in the original series, they found Earth in the 1980s --- current time for when that series aired.
Of course, they did that because their budget was severely cut, and they couldn't do the show in space anymore so they created the God-awful "Galactica 1980" and had it take place on present time on Earth so they could explain the sets. Pretty piss poor.
That said, there is the strong possibility that they could have the Galactica arrive on Earth at a few different times. Lets look at the possible scenarios:
1) In the past. Probably Ancient Egypt, or at the birth of civilization.
Why would they do this? Well Battlestar Galactica was originally formed on the concept that "life here began out there" and that our ancestors and the ancestors of the Egyptians and Mayans were really from somewhere in outer space. That would have put that 13th tribe arriving in our pre-history.
My issue with BSG in general on this is:
First, this 13th tribe left the colonies thousands of years ago. The colonies aren't exactly super-advanced. In my opinion, their technology is maybe 200 years in advance of ours, but clearly its a mis-match. They have huge ships like the Galactica and can travel faster than light, but yet the cities didn't seem super modern, and they still suffer from things like Cancer. WTF? So take their technology, which is maybe 200 years ahead of ours, and then try to explain how one of their tribes/colonies left 1000 years ago? In what ship? How? They sure as hell don't seem like a race of humans that have had spaceflight for 1000 years!
This has never made sense to me.
Second, if this 13th tribe did arrive on Earth in our distant past, like during the Egypitans, that would put the time of Galactica at....oh....around only 4000 BC. Also, if the 13th tribe arrived, why didn't they advance civilization faster than it did? Its not like they arrived on Earth and it was inhabited according to BSG lore, they colonized it. So why wouldn't the Egyptians have been far more advanced, and humans in general?
Its like Ancient Egyptians from the 12 colonies past somehow magically transported to Earth of the past. I'd get that, except for the messy deal about how they managed Space Travel.
2) They arrive in Modern time.
Its possible. Maybe more believable than the above scenario. If you ignore the fact that no matter how you slice it, the humans of the colonies evolved very slowly for having space flight for 1000 years. So 1000 years or so ago, the 13th tribe sets out and lands on Earth around the middle ages. OK. Whatever. Doesn't really go with much thats been established, but OK. I guess it would make sense that while they would try to bring civilization around quickly to their levels (gunpowerder, etc) it still is a huge gap. However, like I said, I feel that we are today, maybe 200 years behind where BSG is. 300 at the most. The real time consistency is on the 12 colonies side, not on the Earth side IMO.
Well, then what we have with this option is basically the same sort of thing that Galactica 1980 did. The Galactica arrives on Earth to find out we are no where near being able to help them against the Cylons. What a freakin bummer for them. And for us, cause here come the Cylons. Sure there was the Hendrix song, but how realistic is this as a storytelling options?
Also, given how HORRIBLE BG1980 was, I don't see the writers going there. I really don't.
3) They arrive in the future, where Earth is at least as advanced as the Galactica.
From a story point, I think this is the least likely. I just don't see them going there. The Hendrix song can be explained...it would take hundreds, maybe thousands of years, for the song to reach the place where the fleet was at.
Good side, is Earth can help with the fight against the Cylons. Which is why I don't see them doing this. Also this show tries to relate to modern times in its storytelling. Arriving at an Earth in the future would disrupt that somehow.
So....which of the three do you think it will be?
I'm betting on Earth of the past. I'm just wondering how they explain the whole time inconsistencies with that option. But then, I've never been able to agree with BSG (original or current) with the whole levels of technology as opposed to when this 13th tribe left.
So I really don't know if theres a good way to do it. But my money is on the past.
Anyone?
Of course, they did that because their budget was severely cut, and they couldn't do the show in space anymore so they created the God-awful "Galactica 1980" and had it take place on present time on Earth so they could explain the sets. Pretty piss poor.
That said, there is the strong possibility that they could have the Galactica arrive on Earth at a few different times. Lets look at the possible scenarios:
1) In the past. Probably Ancient Egypt, or at the birth of civilization.
Why would they do this? Well Battlestar Galactica was originally formed on the concept that "life here began out there" and that our ancestors and the ancestors of the Egyptians and Mayans were really from somewhere in outer space. That would have put that 13th tribe arriving in our pre-history.
My issue with BSG in general on this is:
First, this 13th tribe left the colonies thousands of years ago. The colonies aren't exactly super-advanced. In my opinion, their technology is maybe 200 years in advance of ours, but clearly its a mis-match. They have huge ships like the Galactica and can travel faster than light, but yet the cities didn't seem super modern, and they still suffer from things like Cancer. WTF? So take their technology, which is maybe 200 years ahead of ours, and then try to explain how one of their tribes/colonies left 1000 years ago? In what ship? How? They sure as hell don't seem like a race of humans that have had spaceflight for 1000 years!
This has never made sense to me.
Second, if this 13th tribe did arrive on Earth in our distant past, like during the Egypitans, that would put the time of Galactica at....oh....around only 4000 BC. Also, if the 13th tribe arrived, why didn't they advance civilization faster than it did? Its not like they arrived on Earth and it was inhabited according to BSG lore, they colonized it. So why wouldn't the Egyptians have been far more advanced, and humans in general?
Its like Ancient Egyptians from the 12 colonies past somehow magically transported to Earth of the past. I'd get that, except for the messy deal about how they managed Space Travel.
2) They arrive in Modern time.
Its possible. Maybe more believable than the above scenario. If you ignore the fact that no matter how you slice it, the humans of the colonies evolved very slowly for having space flight for 1000 years. So 1000 years or so ago, the 13th tribe sets out and lands on Earth around the middle ages. OK. Whatever. Doesn't really go with much thats been established, but OK. I guess it would make sense that while they would try to bring civilization around quickly to their levels (gunpowerder, etc) it still is a huge gap. However, like I said, I feel that we are today, maybe 200 years behind where BSG is. 300 at the most. The real time consistency is on the 12 colonies side, not on the Earth side IMO.
Well, then what we have with this option is basically the same sort of thing that Galactica 1980 did. The Galactica arrives on Earth to find out we are no where near being able to help them against the Cylons. What a freakin bummer for them. And for us, cause here come the Cylons. Sure there was the Hendrix song, but how realistic is this as a storytelling options?
Also, given how HORRIBLE BG1980 was, I don't see the writers going there. I really don't.
3) They arrive in the future, where Earth is at least as advanced as the Galactica.
From a story point, I think this is the least likely. I just don't see them going there. The Hendrix song can be explained...it would take hundreds, maybe thousands of years, for the song to reach the place where the fleet was at.
Good side, is Earth can help with the fight against the Cylons. Which is why I don't see them doing this. Also this show tries to relate to modern times in its storytelling. Arriving at an Earth in the future would disrupt that somehow.
So....which of the three do you think it will be?
I'm betting on Earth of the past. I'm just wondering how they explain the whole time inconsistencies with that option. But then, I've never been able to agree with BSG (original or current) with the whole levels of technology as opposed to when this 13th tribe left.
So I really don't know if theres a good way to do it. But my money is on the past.
Anyone?
KoshFan
Regular
I just double-checked the last image of the ep, and while they've cleverly positioned the continent, it didn't look like there were any lights on where they ought to be if it's modern or future times; LA and SF should be lit up like Christmas trees, but they're not.
According to the blog of the composer who put the arrangement of "All Along the Watchtower" together, it's supposed to be a song written by some Colonial who had the same lyrics and same general tune in mind. So it's not a Hendrix broadcast that intercepted them (and not even Dylan).
So Recoil, it looks likely you've got a good bet there.
On a side note:
That one shot of the final five looking down from the balcony had definite resonances of power and judgement. I'm thinking the Final Five will be instrumental in ending the war. And it's fascinating that four of those five models have cast their lot with humans. Someone once theorized -- was it here, or at some other board? -- that both sides would split, so it's not just Baltar with the Cylons and Athena with the Humans, but a bunch of both on one side and a bunch of both on the other.
According to the blog of the composer who put the arrangement of "All Along the Watchtower" together, it's supposed to be a song written by some Colonial who had the same lyrics and same general tune in mind. So it's not a Hendrix broadcast that intercepted them (and not even Dylan).
So Recoil, it looks likely you've got a good bet there.
On a side note:
That one shot of the final five looking down from the balcony had definite resonances of power and judgement. I'm thinking the Final Five will be instrumental in ending the war. And it's fascinating that four of those five models have cast their lot with humans. Someone once theorized -- was it here, or at some other board? -- that both sides would split, so it's not just Baltar with the Cylons and Athena with the Humans, but a bunch of both on one side and a bunch of both on the other.
Sindatur
Regular
Recoil, with regards to the 12 tribes that stayed together, I always assumed the Cylons Wars kept them from advancing technologically, notice how they were so quick in the early episodes to stress no networks and such in the computers on ships, and the communications system (also remember Galactica is an older model, it was being mothballed at the beginning of the series).
The 13th tribe arriving on Earth and not advancing it's technology, is indeed a little more difficult to explain, but, maybe the 13th tribe crashed or maybe they came in the Renaissance period, and maybe over time the knowledge of the 13th tribe was lost before they had the chance to bring Earth too far forward technologically, other than the advances seen in the Renaissance period, and then earth progressed naturally?
The 13th tribe arriving on Earth and not advancing it's technology, is indeed a little more difficult to explain, but, maybe the 13th tribe crashed or maybe they came in the Renaissance period, and maybe over time the knowledge of the 13th tribe was lost before they had the chance to bring Earth too far forward technologically, other than the advances seen in the Renaissance period, and then earth progressed naturally?
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KoshFan
Regular
I'm wondering if maybe there was a "Dark Age" for the colonies where they lost the ability to make FTL jumps and the colonies fell out of touch, but remembered that they were out there; then Caprica, say, got the tech back and went looking for the others. It might explain some of the rifts between the Colonials.
Oh, and did anyone notice that during Six's dream of her and Baltar in the Opera House, there were the Final Five, but six big light panels? Ever since the miniseries I've had a vague idea that there are really 13 Cylon models. Think about it. Twelve colonies, twelve Cylon models... and a thirteenth colony, secret and separated from the rest.
So perhaps we've really got the Final Six at work, and the very last one will be revealed... later.
Oh, and did anyone notice that during Six's dream of her and Baltar in the Opera House, there were the Final Five, but six big light panels? Ever since the miniseries I've had a vague idea that there are really 13 Cylon models. Think about it. Twelve colonies, twelve Cylon models... and a thirteenth colony, secret and separated from the rest.
So perhaps we've really got the Final Six at work, and the very last one will be revealed... later.
Alluveal
Regular
Only Galactica went "backwards" so to say. The rest of the battlestars went forward in their technology, networking, etc. It's why Galactica was one of the only big battleships to make it. Pegasus got out on luck alone (and barely, if we are to believe Admiral Caine's story.)
So, I don't think they were hindered in a technological manner. Maybe for a few years, but after the cylons were quiet for a bit, they returned to their scientific pursuits. They probably steered clear of any "artificial intelligence" at first (publically anyhow.)
I guess afer hearing the song, my guess is that the time where Earth is has to be near our current time or in the future. If there are no lights from space that one can see, we can always assume there was kind of apocalyptic event perhaps? Or, the art director didn't think to add lights.
So, I don't think they were hindered in a technological manner. Maybe for a few years, but after the cylons were quiet for a bit, they returned to their scientific pursuits. They probably steered clear of any "artificial intelligence" at first (publically anyhow.)
I guess afer hearing the song, my guess is that the time where Earth is has to be near our current time or in the future. If there are no lights from space that one can see, we can always assume there was kind of apocalyptic event perhaps? Or, the art director didn't think to add lights.
crazyhorse
Anarchist
Would that not depend on how far away they are?
They could be hearing a signal that is weeks old or it could even decades old.
Like the final six idea.
LondosHair
Regular
How about this -- the colonists who left thousands of years ago obviously had many homes along the way before they found Earth. Judging by the ruins Galactica's crew have found along the way, I think it's safe to say that centuries went by before the descendents of those who left the colonies eventually found Earth. Therefore, I think they would have arrived here long after the days of ancient Egypt (besides, I think Stargate has cornered that market 
), and tying them to Atlantis would be too predictable (again, Stargate's doing that right now).
Maybe the colonists' descendents arrived on Earth and helped to bring about the Renaissance. Earth's population, particularly in Europe, had been nearly decimated by the Black Plague. The years following the Plague brought about role reversals in society, where poorer farmers ended up wealthy, while the rich, who had no idea how to tend to their own needs, often became destitute. The colonists quietly embedded themselves into influential roles in Earth's societies, and their descendents remain in influential positions of power in present-day (or near-future).
Might be interesting.
), and tying them to Atlantis would be too predictable (again, Stargate's doing that right now). Maybe the colonists' descendents arrived on Earth and helped to bring about the Renaissance. Earth's population, particularly in Europe, had been nearly decimated by the Black Plague. The years following the Plague brought about role reversals in society, where poorer farmers ended up wealthy, while the rich, who had no idea how to tend to their own needs, often became destitute. The colonists quietly embedded themselves into influential roles in Earth's societies, and their descendents remain in influential positions of power in present-day (or near-future).
Might be interesting.
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LondosHair
Regular
BTW, the reason they're going on such a lengthy break is because they are filming 2 made-for-TV BSG movies this summer. Also, I think Sci-Fi might be rotating the time of year that BSG runs, since they're so heavy on shows right now. We might be watching BSG during the late-winter/spring/summer rotation from now on.
I'm still not happy about it, though. Nearly a year is a long time to wait, and you risk losing viewers to other shows with interesting storylines that could compete with BSG.
I'm still not happy about it, though. Nearly a year is a long time to wait, and you risk losing viewers to other shows with interesting storylines that could compete with BSG.
