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The "SCI-FI" Channel

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The difficult problem for most such "readers" is that sooner or later, despite careful screening, they are going to "contact" someone who turns out to be alive and well. Not that it would disturb them... but it somewhat disturbs even those with the damnedest wish to believe in them, thus reducing their popularity and profit margin.

Alternatively, if they are really careless, they may succeed in contacting the imaginary pet beetle of the scam buster. Is he called George? When did he die? Two weeks ago? What did he die of? Poisoning? I'm so sorry. How did it happen? Ingestion? Snake bite? Spider bite? What do you mean, the spider ate him but he never existed?

Why should we assume that mister Edwards is different from his countless colleagues, widespread in all times, most so easily disprovable that few care to burst their bubble? I say he is simply more careful, avoiding tight situations because much money is involved.

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The other problem is that if a dead person would be available for contacting (that is, not dissolved into entropy, aside from influences given back to the world via words and deeds)... then surely, knowing the widespread lack of belief in psychic readings, the deceased would care to reveal some details which.

1. The person from audience does not know.
2. The deceased person would surely know.
3. Can be verified from credible institutions.
4. Are inacessible to the psychic and his/her associates.

This might be either his/her social security number, bank account details, or anything else which cannot be revealed either by spying or background checks on the audience, or approached with specuative guesses and judging the reaction of the person from the audience (who usually knows what he/she expects to hear, and thus cannot avoid reacting).

Such an experiment should be undertaken in conditions where the "planting" of participants is impossible. Unfortunately, psychic readers never accept an experiement with such conditions, or when surprised with one, simply say that the dead are unwilling to tell.
 
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Oh, and don't forget the guy who reads goat entrails....

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That will be the day I'm glad we don't have smellivision. /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif
 
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, hypatia, I never said I was a supporter. Did your actually read my posts, or just skim them? Devil's advocacy is a far cry from being a supporter.

Really.

And if Jesus came today instead of two thousand years ago, he would be using national TV. Or something quite more avant-garde than that, knowing our buddy Christ's proclivities to stir things up.
 
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Sorry, Channe, didn't mean to offend.

I guess I'm just sensitive in the first week of classes at the college.

But you have to expect a devils load when you decide to take on devils advocate, right? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
 
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Great points by everyone above. What has been failed to be mentioned, however, is that it is not the Sci-Fi channels fault. Let's face it...

AMERICA IS STUPID.

This site is one of my few releases from the stupidity on a daily basis. No bureaucracies, no Jerry Springer-esque people, no A/S/L teenagers, no dancing babies... and most important... no that '70s show.

America is very stupid. The line between television and film is being blurred these days - I spoiled myself and bought a widescreen 16x9 TV to watch movies, hockey, and Bab at home - but most of America seems happy to view the standard 4x3 renditions of the same slop they've been viewing for year. I don't mean to belittle anyone with a 4x3 television - but as Babylon 5 fans, I think we can all agree that Bab started the current "fad" of showing in 16x9. Bab was the first, and now look: the hit Fox show "24" (great show, by the way) is being released on DVD in 16x9, UPN's Angel (good show, fun) is now 16x9... and (excuse the pun) B5's nemesis, Star Trek's latest is also 16x9. Sci Fi channel actually had quite a bit to do with this; as I remember, they were the first channel I recall showing things in 16x9/widescreen/anamorphic/non 4x3. (I'll leave it to Joe to explain the differences... I just like seeing more)

Regardless of format, America is still stupid. Recently, TV-Guide voted Jerry Springer the worst show of all time. I completely disagree. Jerry Springer is a wonderful, televised display of the downfall of western civilization. If you ever need a pick-me-up, tune into five minutes of Springer, and you'll be a happy person knowing that you're NOT one of the guests.

On the other hand, true pain is watching nonsense like any of the major network sitcoms. If you have TiVo, you can record a nonsense sitcom, and play the pause game; pause every minute, and take bets on what will happen in the next minute. Try it sometime... you won't place many bets, because everyone already knows the routine.

Stupid America likes that routine. That's why shows like Bab, Jeremiah, and great non-JMS shows like the Prisoner and Buffy will never get mainstream acceptance. Its why innovative shows, even if quite silly - like Lexx or Farscape - will never be loved by mainstream America despite how genuinely fun they can be to watch.

Sci Fi channel is merely going down the "ratings route." You can't fault them for it - they're a business, trying to make money. There's no money in Bab-5, because America is stupid, and can't take the medium of television seriously. If everything isn't wrapped up in a nice 30 minute or one hour package, then what is the point.

TiVo will help with this - watch at your own pace, and you don't have to be in front of the TV at 5pm every day. The problem is, the people with the brainpower to enjoy Bab are the same demographic that is likely to own a TiVo within the next five years.

So here we are. B5TV.com is one of the few places on earth those of us with: a) an appreciation of the television / visual medium format and b) an appreciation of intellectual and philosophical material, are stuck in the mud.

Rant mode off.

-Tim
 
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I can't believe that you would criticize Americans for what kind of television they buy. A good number of us have a 4x3 television because that's what we can afford. That's what they sell us. I have *just once* seen a widescreen television - in a store. And it was over a thousand dollars. Yeah, right. I'll stick with my 13" 4x3 TV, thank you, because I have other things to spend my money on. I am sure that many people share my opinion - while it would be nice to own such a thing, it would not be nice to starve and get evicted and walk to work because of it.

Television caters to the lowest common denominator, and sometimes that's all we can see. The segment of people who watch Jerry Springer is still a painfully small one when compared with the general American public.

Because of this aim, television is not really an indicator of stupidity, and shouldn't be used as such. Nor were there ever "good old days," like we seem to think there were. It's ALWAYS been like this. Always. If you want to measure America's stupidity, find a different ruler. And if you really want to make your point, go back to the public entertainments of the eighteenth and nineteenth century for the "ordinary American" and you'll probably think they were incredibly stupid, too.

Many people just DON'T take television seriously, and partly because of the kind of programming they put on the airwaves. I don't think we should take it seriously. I think we should keep it squarely in the realm of entertainment - and then we'll keep our heads. We all need to sometimes remember the old William Shatner catchphrase - "it's just a show."

The danger lies in other places - such as censorship, and the like. That threat.

Other things are not 'just a show.' Those - awareness of the political arena, school performance, college graduates' knowledge level, how the tech stocks are doing - are better indicators than a medium whose sole reason for existence is to make people happy, sad, shocked, or sick for a half hour to an hour at a time.
 
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AMERICA IS STUPID.

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I resent that. It'd be more accurate that TV made to appeal to the mainstream audience is stupid.


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America is very stupid. The line between television and film is being blurred these days - I spoiled myself and bought a widescreen 16x9 TV to watch movies, hockey, and Bab at home - but most of America seems happy to view the standard 4x3 renditions of the same slop they've been viewing for year. I don't mean to belittle anyone with a 4x3 television - but as Babylon 5 fans, I think we can all agree that Bab started the current "fad" of showing in 16x9. Bab was the first, and now look: the hit Fox show "24" (great show, by the way) is being released on DVD in 16x9, UPN's Angel (good show, fun) is now 16x9... and (excuse the pun) B5's nemesis, Star Trek's latest is also 16x9. Sci Fi channel actually had quite a bit to do with this; as I remember, they were the first channel I recall showing things in 16x9/widescreen/anamorphic/non 4x3. (I'll leave it to Joe to explain the differences... I just like seeing more)

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Not everybody can afford a 16x9 TV. Some people may have very good 4:3 TVs that are large enough to display a respectable 16x9 image, so until those TVs start to degrade (or they're forced to replace them in 2004), people are likely to stick with what is working, and already paid for (bad grammar leaving a prep. at the end, I know. Sorry.)

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Regardless of format, America is still stupid. Recently, TV-Guide voted Jerry Springer the worst show of all time. I completely disagree. Jerry Springer is a wonderful, televised display of the downfall of western civilization. If you ever need a pick-me-up, tune into five minutes of Springer, and you'll be a happy person knowing that you're NOT one of the guests.

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Jerry Springer IS one of the worst shows on TV. Seeing those guests makes me feel ashamed that I'm of the same species. /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

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On the other hand, true pain is watching nonsense like any of the major network sitcoms. If you have TiVo, you can record a nonsense sitcom, and play the pause game; pause every minute, and take bets on what will happen in the next minute. Try it sometime... you won't place many bets, because everyone already knows the routine.

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Come to think of it, I don't watch any sitcoms. I used to watch a bit of Frasier, but that got old (same jokes, over and over).

Right now, I watch The Dead Zone, Witchblade (taping but haven't watched even the entire 2nd season premiere yet), CSI, The Agency, and Monk. In reruns, I'm watching B5 and Brimstone. I'm not watching Buffy (UPN) and Angel (WB) because I taped and watched them all in first run. I also watched and taped all of 24. I'm also re-watching my Crusade tapes, and am considering quiting my taping of Witchblade since I just never seem to be inspired enough to watch those tapes.


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Stupid America likes that routine. That's why shows like Bab, Jeremiah, and great non-JMS shows like the Prisoner and Buffy will never get mainstream acceptance. Its why innovative shows, even if quite silly - like Lexx or Farscape - will never be loved by mainstream America despite how genuinely fun they can be to watch.

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Re. Jeremiah, not everybody gets or can afford to get Showtime. I was not about to get Showtime just for Jeremiah, because that show's just not my cup of tea. I don't like the setting (the whole premise) and have never cared for the 90210 actors that are in it. However, if Crusade were on Showtime, I'd get it in a nanosecond. I'd pay up to $100/month to get Crusade if a pay channel would pick it up.


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Sci Fi channel is merely going down the "ratings route." You can't fault them for it - they're a business, trying to make money. There's no money in Bab-5, because America is stupid, and can't take the medium of television seriously. If everything isn't wrapped up in a nice 30 minute or one hour package, then what is the point.

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I can fault Sci-Fi. They're deserting their core audience. If they're going to do that, they should at least have the honesty to change their name.


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TiVo will help with this - watch at your own pace, and you don't have to be in front of the TV at 5pm every day. The problem is, the people with the brainpower to enjoy Bab are the same demographic that is likely to own a TiVo within the next five years.

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Why? VCRs work fine. I programmed one to record all five seasons of B5 on TNT (first run), and never missed an episode. Nothing to it. The hell with TiVo, I'll take recordable DVD, e.g. Panasonic's DMR-E30S.
DMR-E30S


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So here we are. B5TV.com is one of the few places on earth those of us with: a) an appreciation of the television / visual medium format and b) an appreciation of intellectual and philosophical material, are stuck in the mud.

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That is precisely why Sci-Fi cannot be allowed to go mainstream. Either the mainstream has to grow up, and start to demand better TV, or they have to be left behind. Instead, Sci-Fi is leaving US behind. [Kosh] Intolerable! [/Kosh]
 
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FlipperPA, PBS has been running things in wide screen for some time now, well before WS B5. Almost all of their nature programs are in wide screen, and much else is too. They also broadcast HDTV pretty regularly. As others have pointed out, not all of us can afford it yet.
 
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when I watched TLaDiS the other day, I remembered that the main reason it was not picked up as a series was because SCI-FI wasn't interested in doing any new shows with aliens in them.


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So, the reason why Sci-Fi didn't want to do a series about the rangers was because it had aliens in it? I thought it was because the tele-movie sucked and got bad ratings.
 
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So, the reason why Sci-Fi didn't want to do a series about the rangers was because it had aliens in it? I thought it was because the tele-movie sucked and got bad ratings.

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Who can really understand the mind of the person currently at the helm of The Sci-Fi Channel? How can we separate truth from PR in whatever she says? /forums/images/icons/frown.gif /forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

ps. Those "questions" are not in search of answers, strictly rhetorical. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
 
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Who can really understand the mind of the person currently at the helm of The Sci-Fi Channel?

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You said a mouthfull.
 
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There is one answer, and nearly rhetorical too. /forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

The share-holders.
 
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I just hate to see an apple advertised as an orange. /forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif
 
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Hi,
John Edwards is a Joke. Here is a guy who can talk to the dead. Give me a break. Dark Shadows makes more sense. Bonnie is going after the Baywatch crowd. Last night they aired the letterbox version of John Carpenter's The Thing with Kurt Russell. I liked that movie much better than Dog Soldiers which IMHO STUNK!!!!

Paul
 
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The thing is, to me, John Edward comes off as a smarmy con-man. While, I can accept the premise of "communicating with the dead" in a fictional story, when they try to present it as "reality" I just can't stand it. The combination of the two things, smarmy con-man and presenting communicating with the dead as reality, is more than I can bear. /forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

The fact that they appear to be taking advantage of people and their grief, to make money off a TV show, really pisses me off. /forums/images/icons/mad.gif


ps. I like John Carpenter's "The Thing" AND the 1951 version. To me, Sci-Fi's "Thingamacon" (sp?) was a neat idea. I'm so intrigued by the the game, that I might get a Playstation 2 (My PC is way too old to play the PC version, and I can't afford to upgrade it at this time.) Man, I love the moodiness of that music. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
 
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Can we stop talking about John Edwards? It's getting old... /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
 
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So, the reason why Sci-Fi didn't want to do a series about the rangers was because it had aliens in it? I thought it was because the tele-movie sucked and got bad ratings.


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Many B5 fans can't separate "spin" from the possible real reasons.

In my heart, I believe there were two reasons, that the movie wasn't picked up (1) The pilot was lousy, (2) Because the pilot was lousy, SciFi wouldn't pay as much to do a series as WB wanted to charge them. So, they had "negotiation-lock".

The only reason that the ratings were important were:
1. As a come-on to get fans to watch and to make them walking and driving advertisements for the movie. SciFi still put a lot of hope in the movies' getting decent ratings for the advertisers they secured for the show.
2. In hopes that blockbuster ratings might have changed the decision that was already made.

The "aliens in it" excuse was just spin to make people feel better. People would rather believe that than believe the it was because the pilot was lousy or that WB wouldn't sell it cheaply.

Just my opinion folks. Hopefully, you'll respect that I have a right to express it like everyone else does.
 
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I still can't believe that the same guy who wrote some of Jeremiah's best episodes this season was responsible for Rangers. It just doesn't seem possible.

I got ridiculed that day (A roommate and I actually had some people come over to watch the movie, and they ended up laughing at us).
 
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Channe wrote: "I still can't believe that the same guy who wrote some of Jeremiah's best episodes this season was responsible for Rangers. It just doesn't seem possible."

After watching "Rangers" several times, have to agree with SavantB5. It had some good parts but the plot was "B" movie grade. I get the impression JMS wrote the script while his mind was focused on writing scripts for a program (Jeremiah) he felt was more important. And, if Rangers had done well and picked up, he would have put his creative talent to making it very good. But, alas, Rangers hit a ratings wall when the NFL playoff game went against it and that was that.
 
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The thing is, the Rangers pilot is an absolutely AWFUL note on which to end B5 (not referring to the "story" end of B5, just the last B5 TV thing produced). /forums/images/icons/frown.gif

ps. This makes me glad I didn't win the contest to have a character named after me. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif /forums/images/icons/blush.gif
 

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