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The Minbari suck
- Thread starter GKarsEye
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The only justification I can give for the Minbari is what Delenn said, "We went mad together." Perhaps they did not originally intend to annihilate Earth. That may have been the result of incidents like the aborted peace negotiation from "In the Beginning."
Consider that the Windswords sheltered the war criminal J'Ha'Dur. It's possible that the Dilgar were under the influence of the Shadows or the Drakh, and they managed to corrupt at least some of the Minbari.
Consider that the Windswords sheltered the war criminal J'Ha'Dur. It's possible that the Dilgar were under the influence of the Shadows or the Drakh, and they managed to corrupt at least some of the Minbari.
deaded
Regular
Sorry Andrew. No offence intended. I was making a bad joke. See there are lots of people here who have that bumper sticker that reads, "Mean People Suck". In the last year I've seen a number of bumper stickers that say, "Mean People Suck, Nice People Swallow." So I was kind of making a play on that assuming you all saw the same bumper sticker as I. Obviously I was wrong. I'm sorry
I actually don't know if you have a sense of humor or not so I probably should not be joking. I just can't help it sometimes 
A_M_Swallow
Regular
Bumper stickers are an American habit. They have not crossed the pond.
darth_librarian
Regular
We have window stickers instead.
Cna't belive i've only just found this thread, it rocks!
Isn't that a bit, well, dangerous? If you cover your bumper with stickers it might be a little distracting to others, if you cover your windows it gets a bit difficult to see.
Unless the message on the bumper sticker is "Screw the Police" I would think it to be the safer option.Great post GKE. And you forgot that idiotic LOTR part where they try to expell David Martell for retreating from battle instead of standing there unarmed waiting to get his ass kicked. Please!
#1 Minbari guy:"Whether they fight or not, they know they will die anyway"
#2 President whatever: "We have continued to broadcast our surrender and a plea for mercy, but they have not responded"
And I thought that whole "sex for breeding only" concept was gone, but apparently I was wrong.
Eficiency has got nothing to do with it whatsoever.
And one thing that makes the Minbari look even more stupid: they had a huge advantage in the war, and yet they surrendered! If they wanted to stop the war, they didn't have to surrender. A simple peace offering would do the trick, and the EA would be more than willing to accept. They could've even accepted Earth's continuously broadcasting surrender and come out of the war victorious. That way, they could have avoided the resulting spite of the warrior caste and the Civil War might have been prevented.
Anyway, my two credits for this thread.
She said quite clearly: "Kill them! All of them! All of them! No mercy!"
You obviously either never saw "In the Beginning" or have a serious problem with the English language.
#1 Minbari guy:"Whether they fight or not, they know they will die anyway"
#2 President whatever: "We have continued to broadcast our surrender and a plea for mercy, but they have not responded"
I'll just pretend I never heard that!
Of course there are these tiny insignificant things called condoms.
And I thought that whole "sex for breeding only" concept was gone, but apparently I was wrong.Eficiency has got nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Fine, but if your actions include deliberately exterminating an entire species, or even a single individual, then no argument is valid, not religion nor anything. That's why I was angry at how Believers turned out. And rage is not a valid argument either, it's just an excuse we use to justify the mistakes we make due to plain stupidity: it makes no difference to the families of those killed whether is was the result of rage or careful planning.
And one thing that makes the Minbari look even more stupid: they had a huge advantage in the war, and yet they surrendered!
If they wanted to stop the war, they didn't have to surrender. A simple peace offering would do the trick, and the EA would be more than willing to accept. They could've even accepted Earth's continuously broadcasting surrender and come out of the war victorious. That way, they could have avoided the resulting spite of the warrior caste and the Civil War might have been prevented. Anyway, my two credits for this thread.
sleepy_shadow
Regular
Who did she mean? Perhaps just the crews of the ships which attacked? Have you got proof of what she meant? No? Then anything is possible.
The words of one Minbari guy... do not outweigh the actions of the Minbari fleet. To convince me of their "murderous intent", name a civilian colony (or at least a civilian ship) which the Minbari destroyed.
Mere words. Minbari had no responsibility to listen to the sobbing of an Earth president, much less start comforting a person irresponsible enough to let their military expedition fly off handle.
Earth Force had initiated war against the Minbari. They wanted Earth Force offline... and took it offline, thoroughly, every military ship they could get. Then they stopped, to my knowledge short of dropping a single weapon on Earth.
Actions are far more representative of a person (or civilization) than words. If words contradict actions, it pays to read the actions, setting words further aside.
Nobody can say that some Minbari didn't have corrupt motives. Sure enough, some did. But they failed to act upon those motives, in a situation where they could have.
You seem to have a more serious problem: difficulty understanding that civilizations are composed of individuals -- with different opinions -- and words don't automatically mean actions.You obviously either never saw "In the Beginning" or have a serious problem with the English language.
Fix your own problems first.
Then, we can address my shortcomings in English.
I'll pretend I didn't chuckle at that.I'll just pretend I never heard that!
Their breaking ratio is somewhere between 1 and 5 percent.Of course there are these tiny insignificant things called condoms.
The rest is statistics.
Forget breeding. When making my statement, I was thinking more along lines of AI (which, should humanity survive, is almost certainly its future, since it's simply more efficient). In that future, breeding would be useless, and non-physical pleasures would beat clumsy physical ones.
Efficiency has everything to do with it. Should you be offered two equally pleasant, equally interesting activities... one of them risky and messy, another safe and clean... which would you pick?Eficiency has got nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Jade Jaguar
Regular
Being human, most of the time, I'll pick the risky and messy. What you're overlooking is that it is often the risk that brings, or increases, the pleasure. If messiness mattered, people would always hang up their clothes before jumping in the sack.
crazyhorse
Anarchist
Kill the Minbari,kill the Vorlons,the only good alien is a dead alien
Nice thread :beer:
Nice thread :beer:
Ranger Doroth
Beyond the rim
"To my knowledge, Minbari refused to accept surrender only from military vessels. They are not mentioned to have destroyed any civilian colonies."
didn't the earth president mention several earth colonies lost contact with earth? Also when watching In The Beginning the fact that the minbari went after more than millitary targets looked very implied to me.
didn't the earth president mention several earth colonies lost contact with earth? Also when watching In The Beginning the fact that the minbari went after more than millitary targets looked very implied to me.
Ranger1
Regular
It is most definitely shown, when Londo talks about the escalation of the war, in that piece you quite clearly see civilians "weep, and pray, and say goodbye to thier loved ones, and then throw themeselves, without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering"
The Minbari targeted civilians during the war, they were certainly out to exterminate humanity.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
The Minbari targeted civilians during the war, they were certainly out to exterminate humanity.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
EASAtlantis
New member
They targetted civilians based on Delenn's words. "Follow them to their bases, and kill them, all of them! No mercy!" They were out for extermination, because they saw the humans as a dangerous species who attack without provocation.
Also, we're thinking of these alien races as working in similar ways to humanity. It was stated very clearly that humans think very differently, in that wherever we go, we form communities. The Minbari are one (or three, depending how you see it) people, so when they decide on something, they do it.
Also, we're thinking of these alien races as working in similar ways to humanity. It was stated very clearly that humans think very differently, in that wherever we go, we form communities. The Minbari are one (or three, depending how you see it) people, so when they decide on something, they do it.
