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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>And if you could get a couple of hundred thousand people to write in telling SciFi they'd watch a ressurected Crusade, I'm sure the programing department would take notice.
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And if I could get a couple hundred thousand people to do that, I would. However, if that were the case, it'd also spark Anti-Crusade campaigns, probably on rastb5 (unmoderated).
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>So does most of the canceled show SciFi picks up, many of them network shows, seen by far more people than Crusade or B5.
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Maybe so. One of those other shows I wish would get revived is Brimstone. Why don't I write in to support Brimstone? I don't think it has a chance at all (and you have no idea just how many puns I'm avoiding by wording it that way!). Because of all the B5 universe stuff on Sci-Fi, it would appear that Crusade has more of a chance.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>In the end, SciFi has to be conviced that there is exceptional interest among its viewers in a property to consider it over a fresh concept. Through solid Nielsen ratings, B5 managed this. Crusade did not. 30-40 letters during April won't change that.
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Well, hopefully we'll be able to do better than 30 or 40.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>When I say new project, I mean one they're with from the start, likely owned by "the family" (USA Networks). Having to deal with WB is a significant turn off, likely to get them a much worse deal. They need hard numbers (not letters) to convice them that it's worth the extra expense and hassle.
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After the lost CGI files fiasco, WB (meaning Warner Brothers, not WB the network) does appear to be the millstone around B5's neck. Unless WB starts trying to make B5 fluorish (by them loosening up a bit), they're going to continue dragging B5 down, stifling future B5 projects. <u>It's as if they don't want to do business.</u> /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow> You seem to be forgetting that most of these criticisms were directed at Crusade when it premiered. Where are the B5 aliens? The Whitestars? Sheridan and Delenn? The effects look like crap!
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With the exception of the Crusade jumppoints (the "flashy" new look in "A Call to Arms" and Crusade) I never made those criticisms. Compared to Crusade (overall), the effects in TLaDiS look bad. It just keeps going further and further down hill. <u>TLaDiS is OK if you like soft-focus, but that's not B5</u> (the series). Go back and look at B5 episodes (e.g. shots of the station's exterior, shots of planets from orbit, nebulae, etc.) and compare them to TLaDiS. TLaDiS is like we're looking at B5 through a cheap, oily soft focus filter (I retract my earlier comments anout the Nikon Soft 1 & Soft 2 filters, because they're not cheap and oily/smeary.). B5 seen through the Nikon Soft filters would look better than the B5 station, planets and nebulae we saw in TLaDiS.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>(And IMO, the CGI in the first batch of Crusade episodes to air was pretty sub-standard, unlike the Rangers CGI which I quite liked).
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Which Crusade episodes you mean, the first aired on TNT, the first in the production order (the Gray Uniform episodes), or the first episodes in the Sci-Fi order? It's hard to discuss this without knowing which episodes you mean.
Offhand, I can think of only a few instances where the CGI in Crusade was lacking:
<ul type="square">[*] The alien ships and their jumppoints in The Needs of Earth (The alien ships didn't look "finished.")
[*] The Warlock jumppoint in Each Night I Dream of Home (didn't match the rest of Crusade)
[*] The view of the mine complex in The Long Road (looked like a plastic model from a Godzilla movie)
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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>I certainly didn't get the impression that most B5 fans felt the show stayed too far from B5 from watching the trailers and comercials. And that was what the viewers who didn't watch it had to go on when they choose the football game (or whatever) instead. And if the look of the show was so alienating it's audience, then why did the show gain viewers instead of loosing them? </font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Because dedicated B5 fans stayed with it out of loyalty, and hoping it would get better. They'd be highly unlikely to switch the channel or stop recording something they's been anticipating for so long. They'd stay for the entire thing, and chances are, they'd tape it and keep it. As the movie went on, it snagged casual viewers. Therefore, it got increasing numbers as the movie went on. The only point where I almost couldn't watch anymore was in the minefield clearing scream.
<font color=yellow>And if you could get a couple of hundred thousand people to write in telling SciFi they'd watch a ressurected Crusade, I'm sure the programing department would take notice.
</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
And if I could get a couple hundred thousand people to do that, I would. However, if that were the case, it'd also spark Anti-Crusade campaigns, probably on rastb5 (unmoderated).
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>So does most of the canceled show SciFi picks up, many of them network shows, seen by far more people than Crusade or B5.
</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Maybe so. One of those other shows I wish would get revived is Brimstone. Why don't I write in to support Brimstone? I don't think it has a chance at all (and you have no idea just how many puns I'm avoiding by wording it that way!). Because of all the B5 universe stuff on Sci-Fi, it would appear that Crusade has more of a chance.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>In the end, SciFi has to be conviced that there is exceptional interest among its viewers in a property to consider it over a fresh concept. Through solid Nielsen ratings, B5 managed this. Crusade did not. 30-40 letters during April won't change that.
</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Well, hopefully we'll be able to do better than 30 or 40.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>When I say new project, I mean one they're with from the start, likely owned by "the family" (USA Networks). Having to deal with WB is a significant turn off, likely to get them a much worse deal. They need hard numbers (not letters) to convice them that it's worth the extra expense and hassle.
</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
After the lost CGI files fiasco, WB (meaning Warner Brothers, not WB the network) does appear to be the millstone around B5's neck. Unless WB starts trying to make B5 fluorish (by them loosening up a bit), they're going to continue dragging B5 down, stifling future B5 projects. <u>It's as if they don't want to do business.</u> /ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow> You seem to be forgetting that most of these criticisms were directed at Crusade when it premiered. Where are the B5 aliens? The Whitestars? Sheridan and Delenn? The effects look like crap!
</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
With the exception of the Crusade jumppoints (the "flashy" new look in "A Call to Arms" and Crusade) I never made those criticisms. Compared to Crusade (overall), the effects in TLaDiS look bad. It just keeps going further and further down hill. <u>TLaDiS is OK if you like soft-focus, but that's not B5</u> (the series). Go back and look at B5 episodes (e.g. shots of the station's exterior, shots of planets from orbit, nebulae, etc.) and compare them to TLaDiS. TLaDiS is like we're looking at B5 through a cheap, oily soft focus filter (I retract my earlier comments anout the Nikon Soft 1 & Soft 2 filters, because they're not cheap and oily/smeary.). B5 seen through the Nikon Soft filters would look better than the B5 station, planets and nebulae we saw in TLaDiS.
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>(And IMO, the CGI in the first batch of Crusade episodes to air was pretty sub-standard, unlike the Rangers CGI which I quite liked).
</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Which Crusade episodes you mean, the first aired on TNT, the first in the production order (the Gray Uniform episodes), or the first episodes in the Sci-Fi order? It's hard to discuss this without knowing which episodes you mean.
Offhand, I can think of only a few instances where the CGI in Crusade was lacking:
<ul type="square">[*] The alien ships and their jumppoints in The Needs of Earth (The alien ships didn't look "finished.")
[*] The Warlock jumppoint in Each Night I Dream of Home (didn't match the rest of Crusade)
[*] The view of the mine complex in The Long Road (looked like a plastic model from a Godzilla movie)
[/list]
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by drakh:
<font color=yellow>I certainly didn't get the impression that most B5 fans felt the show stayed too far from B5 from watching the trailers and comercials. And that was what the viewers who didn't watch it had to go on when they choose the football game (or whatever) instead. And if the look of the show was so alienating it's audience, then why did the show gain viewers instead of loosing them? </font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Because dedicated B5 fans stayed with it out of loyalty, and hoping it would get better. They'd be highly unlikely to switch the channel or stop recording something they's been anticipating for so long. They'd stay for the entire thing, and chances are, they'd tape it and keep it. As the movie went on, it snagged casual viewers. Therefore, it got increasing numbers as the movie went on. The only point where I almost couldn't watch anymore was in the minefield clearing scream.
